So bring it back and make it challenging still? Or are you arguing for limited time fomo? Why are people entitled for wanting a chance at content and collectibles? Honestly, why does it bother you? Does it take away your feeling of accomplishment? If so, that’s a you problem.
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Sorry Shadybolt, but this is something I’m going to put a stop on right here. The Majority of the discusion has not been people feeling entitled to something, the majority of the thread has been back and forths, usually with a lot of toxicity from people who want to see them return, and people who don’t.
It has been present through out the thread since Blizzard has made their announcement.
And also, and I can only speak for myself here, would you honestly call my post “entitled”?
I didn’t know calling people crybabies, or saying people throwing tantrums, or telling people to stop asking/providing feedback, was the reason behind it being a bad thing to be bought back. Because that has been what most of the argument against has been. And before anyone @me on this, I said most. Not all. Some people have been pretty civil.
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They literally made a statement three weeks ago.
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Citation needed on how this would kill wow. Also once again calling legion mt challenging content is incredibly disingenuous and a complete rewrite of history.
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This topic has been ongoing for far longer than when Kaivax made the blue post. You can see folks making threads about these things going back for years and it always boils down to one thing and one thing alone: “I or other people didn’t get to do it, they are just pixels so that doesn’t matter, also give me my pixels because I’m paying to play the game, except I didn’t play the game at the time, but they are still mine because I want them.”
I have explained these things on these forums a hundred times over because this is a topic that always boils down to the summary I gave above. There’s some leeway here and there, with some folks being more and less reasonable in their approach to it, but yes - fundamentally and completely yes, asking for old stuff to come back which was promised to not do so is asking for stuff that you have no reason to ask for outside of “I/Others want it.”
That’s entitlement.
You being more reasonable in how you are arguing in terms of your entitlement doesn’t change that it is still coming from a position of “I want Blizzard to be more arbitrary so I or others can get stuff that they shouldn’t have access to.” Mind you, entitlement isn’t something that’s necessarily negative if you have an actual claim to something … which people don’t, that’s why entitlement in this regard in this topic is a negative.
This topic can literally be summarized with “Prior to Kaivax bluepost, we could only make sensible arguments based on how these things work and the consequences of breaking them … but now we ALSO have an official blue post explicitly pointing this out and folks are ignoring it.”
This isn’t a thing where “feedback” can be provided, not in regards to the things people are asking for. What one can go “Why are you including the mount and time-limited transmog from Trial of Valor” but that’s an argument for removing it, not to extend it further.
That’s the entire thing about this entire post: you can make an argument to remove more things from what people can get from Remix, but you can’t make a good faith argument to add things to it. So… if your feedback is “I think Blizzard should be entirely consistent and remove both the Mount and Mythic Trial of Valor appearances” then, sure.
That’s feedback that can be provided. But it’d be a rather silly thing to argue for, but sure, if you wanted to; that’s something you can do. So… which is it, do you want to be happy with the compromise of Blizzard bending it slightly for some stuff that can be sorta argued to not fit into the description, or do you want those things removed as well?
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I just beat fury warrior and affliction lock last week. Never played affliction before in my life, but needed twins.
It’s not much harder than learning a spec at a basic level, then learning a fight.
Wasn’t any harder during argus, and the general consensus is that its even harder now.
If you’re doing the same “challenge”, at the same (or harder) level of difficulty, how is it entitled to want to be rewarded the same way?
Going to try tackling the healer challenge later tonight.
Have never healed at all in 20 years of playing. I’m hearing its the most difficult one besides havoc. Trying on Holy Paladin and will update when i get my book.
You dont get to dictate the feedback others can provide. Your stance on this is ridiculous.
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I literally explained it in the post. It’d shift the area in which design is dedicated now not towards people playing the game, but rather who is the lowest common denominator following the most populist take possible. In other words… pandering to people who just want stuff, but doesn’t want to play the game to get it.
You do that and you may as well be playing a game like Neverwinter right now, if you want a good look of how a MMO looks like after that’s been modus operandi for a few years.
Spoken like someone who never tried the Mage Tower challenge when it launched in Legion.
Of course not. But that’s the point; you aren’t providing feedback, you are ignoring what folks are saying, what Kaivax said, and the explanations as to why.
I don’t get to dictate what type of feedback folks provide, but there’s magnitudes of difference between folks providing “feedback” in good faith versus bad faith.
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Moving goal posts because I’m not asking for your opinion. I want data that shows this would in your words “kill” wow.
“people have different opinions to this, it means they are entitled.”
Sorry, but I can not agree with any of this. I’m just going to stop there, because we get along well here on the forums, and last thing I want to do is ruin that from a disagreement.
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I haven’t moved anything.
I explained how it’ll kill it and provided an actual example of how this works in reality.
That’s not even remotely what I said.
I don’t care if you agree or disagree with me. My stance is built entirely on what is demonstrably real and argued in good faith. At no point EVER have I ever made such a dishonest claim that “you have a different opinion to me, therefore you are entitled.”
Seriously, read what folks are saying instead of making up stuff.
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Having your game appeal to the widest possible group of people is the hallmark of a successful game.
You’re acting like people are asking for them to be handed out.
We don’t want them added to retail mage tower, with the caveat of the tower being nerfed.
We just want them available to be earned again after almost 10 years.
Its really not entitled if you critically think about it.
Nice of you to clarify. So you understand that after tomb opened they were easy and after antorus they became free. We still have access to the threads on how to knock out every mt in a couple hours from legion.
So your stance is because it was challenging at one point but not another it still fits the criteria of never returning because for a short time it was “prestigious”
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I know you guys all live in this utopia where nobody cares about unique rewards but in the real world most people do.
If Blizzard started bringing back skilled-based limited time rewards, people are going to start losing interest in this game because it’s going to become a “everyone gets a trophy” mmo just like all the others.
And speaking of rewriting history, to say that the MT didn’t take any skill is doing that. Is it fair that some challenges were easier than others? Sure. Fury Warrior and Feral Druid come to mind. But… you couldn’t stand there and drool then collect your reward. You still had to have some basic knowledge of your class and know what to do.
And some specs having a much easier time does not magically diminish the effort other specs that had a harder time. Plus, this wasn’t just a skill-based challenge, this was also a time sensitive challenge, which is a point all y’all like to ignore because you know you can’t argue it. Instead you just focus on the one you can argue which is “lol feral druids had it easy so the MT should come back.”
The MT was supposed to be completed while the content was current. As soon as Legion was over, the artifact weapons and legendaries were deactivated. Spells and talents were changed. Hell, we even have a new class and in another couple of expacs, we’re probably getting another one. That’s why Blizzard does time sensitive challenges because things change so drastically, the conditions will never be the same.
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You have no data to support this.
It just makes it sound like your ego is too fragile if god forbid people that weren’t even around during legion had the chance to get the same transmogs.
I’ll be clear, I didn’t collect all of them. I don’t play every class but my stance is it could only do good for the game by giving newer players the chance to collect things they weren’t around for.
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Yes you quoted me without a reply, i see you admit your argument is flawed and you only have trolling as an answer.
I know what you’re trying to get at and that wasnt the “epic own” you saw it as in your head.
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Nope, just pointing out your hypocrisy.
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Not only do we have data, we have a case study of an entire game we can use to see how these things look like after just a few years. That’s what a game looks like once you start pandering to people who don’t want to play the game to get the stuff, but just wants to have it.
Hope you have a wallet the size of a Bag of Holding.
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I didn’t say you have a fragile ego I said it makes it sound like you do. I will say you have poor reading comprehension though.
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