Stop arguing from an in-universe perspective.
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Only because it was violently taken from the living in the last 10-20 years and they just blew up their own home to prevent anyone else taking it. Not to mention The forsaken are now made up of dead from multiple nations not just lordearon.
The Forsaken can live anywhere and have no real connection to Lordearon. They should surrender it to the living and move on considering all the damage they have done to the living.
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There should be plenty of space for them in human lands right now given all the wars and apocalypses that have happened since. Maybe humans can still their colonization urge for once and not claim other’s lands as rightfully theirs for once?
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That is rich coming from a troll, guess all them should all pack up and go to zandalar.
Lordearon isn’t rightfully the forsakens, Sylvanas promised to give it back to the humans after defeating the scourge together but then stabbed them in the back. She then went around and sysmatically killed all other living in the lands. Its the very defenition of a hostile occupation.
Unfortunately if a country has a civil war, and Side A wins and kills a bunch of Side B, this does not magically mean that Side A loses their claim to said land historically or politically for being too mean about it.
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Yes, Trolls would prefer the humans to stop claiming everyone else’s lands as their own, as has been their modus operandi up until just a few years before WC1.
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Most of the time the trolls gave up the land due to fighting amongst their own not because of humans. The Humans didn’t create their kingdoms overnight in the middle of troll territory. the Trolls simply didn’t hold much land outside of certain areas after the sundering.
Hell even high elves were able to set themselves up in the Heart of the Amani territory and built a city before the trolls acted to remove them.
Welcome to the Might Makes Right Club. Pick up your spiked club at the door and get to zuggin’, brother.
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I don’t want relations between the living and the Forsaken to improve. It’s an interesting conflict, so why neuter it? Just write it better.
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What? They conquered the Amani via overwhelming magical might, IE: Nuking them.
And the Gurubashi only had “infighting” problems because Stormwind decided to assassinate their entire chain of leadership for being gauche enough to fight back when Stormwind was invading their lands.
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I feel like there is a lot to explore in this conflict just by viewing the fall of Lordaeron as the zombie apocalypse that it was. Most people know the tropes of that genre, and although WoW has a different setting than most zombie stories, many of those tropes still apply:
- The ‘people living a normal life suddenly thrust into a flee-or-die (and probably die anyway) nightmare’ trope.
- The good old game of ‘has anyone in our survivor group been bitten (or eaten tainted grain - if the survivors even know what causes the transformation)?’ and the follow-up of ‘what do we do about them?’
- The classic ‘see what depths of immorality that some survivors will sink to in order to survive’ plus the ‘…and what they may do to gather power for themselves in this new world paradigm’.
What WoW’s setting has is the wonderful new angle of the Forsaken: The people who died in the zombie apocalypse… but are still POV characters. They get all the same story drama of the above tropes, plus exploring the mindset of the people who were on the receiving end of the above tropes.
- How does a Forsaken feel about seeing their living neighbor, knowing that it was only random chance that had a ghoul leap and devour them while the neighbor was able to run to safety?
- How does another Forsaken feel because they did escape the city, only to be killed by another survivor because they had an arm injury that the other survivor thought was a ghoul bite that would make them turn?
- How do all the Forsaken who died at the foot of Gilneas’ gate feel about the people who kept themselves safe by leaving the refugees to die? How does a Forsaken feel when they see a living human using the Forsaken’s heirlooms or titles that were scavenged or stolen as the living person realized there was no one alive to claim them?
Vanilla had some of these stories, and they were great. But I feel that tradition didn’t continue and is limited to a small amount of characters - and even the Barovs had a lot of their family title struggle get sidelined in later appearances. And for the Alliance, I want to see more of these Lordaeronian characters, and the aftermath of having survived such an event - anger, loss, guilt, and the desire to ‘fix’ things back to how they used to be. I’d love for these themes to see greater use - they’re such an treasure trove of understandable conflicts.
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Well said. This post touches on many things the active Forsaken rp community look at.
Alas, in the years following Wrath the story of the Forsaken melted down into generic blight throwing goons who started fights, and lost them over and over. The story of the forsaken became that of a cheap plot hook for Blizzard in many cases, a hardcore group that should be feared…who were comedically and easily defeated over and over.
When finally 9.2.5 rolled around, the lore of the Forsaken was such a distant past that many people were confused as to Crown Princess Calia Menethil even was. For us old dogs through, it was a breath of fresh air to see a return to the Lordaeron story of the Forsaken.
Let us hope Blizzard returns the Forsaken to their deeper story, instead of being a cheap plot hook destined to always be on the losing side of the equation to let others have their victories.
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