Since the Nightborne are lazily based off the French, specifically around the French Revolution how quickly did France recover after the revolution? That’s one source of inspiration to look at when you wonder what the Nightborne are doing now. Also coincidentally didn’t that lead to the rise of Napoleon? Another dictator so perhaps the Nightborne giving themselves to another dictator sorta makes sense since they’re diet France.
That would actually be pretty cool to see. The Tauren got snubbed by the Kaldorei at some point right? A friendly coexistence between Nightborne and Highmountain could be a neat representation of the relationship Kalimdor Tauren and Kaldorei never had.
You can respectfully disagree all you like. It doesn’t change the fact that Thalyssra chose to put her people down the exact same path that she just liberated them from and is currently too scared, too stupid and too evil to get out of it again.
I mean, if you won’t take the perspective of a qualified diplomat agreeing that Thalyssra’s choice was a diplomatically normal and sensible choice to have made, and NOT one based exclusively off “hurt feelings”, then… what hope to any of us have to convince you? I’m quite content respectfully disagreeing in the knowledge that the Nightborne have a very sensible place in the Horde, from a logical perspective and a lore perspective.
I won’t take the perspective of a qualified diplomat into consideration because we’re not talking about realism, we’re talking about drama: storytelling, tension and, most importantly, consistency.
Does Thalyssra’s response make diplomatic sense? Maybe. Is it completely out of character for her and the Nightborne? Absolutely.
An alleged genius and unflinching savior of her people blindly swearing subservient obedience to a genocidal tyrant ten times worse than the person she just escaped from? And then suddenly forgetting she successfully led a rebellion against said tyrant because she’s just too scared?
That’s inconsistent characterization. That’s character assassination. And yes, no matter how many extraneous sources are cited or how much we quibble over semantics, it’s indisputably bad storytelling. Making excuses for it is merely giving Blizzard incentive to never try hard again.
Insulted her and her people* You can consider it hurt feelings all you want, but when you need help and you get the middle finger from one person and a loving embrace from another, it’s really not that big of a stretch. You also seem to forget that this crap with Sylvanas started in BfA. After the Nightborne joined the Horde. Idk, I guess you’re just dead set against someone making a logical choice given the current situation.
True, storytelling is a bit more important than realism, but as stated before, especially in what said diplomat wrote, there is still realism in storytelling. Idk how you can consider her character choices “Inconsistant” when we JUST met her. You even admited it makes diplomatic sense. Respectfully, this seems more like stubbornness than anything else.
Enekie’s stubbornness is the biggest problem here. She’s very intelligent and it shows, a good writer and so on - but she’s practically obsessed with her hatred of the Horde here to the point where apparently she’s willing to argue with a diplomat, someone who’s -trained in what they do- about diplomacy. If that doesn’t get the point across, then nothing will lol.
I will say the constant debate about Nightborne joining the Horde feels like another flavor of TBCs Blood Elves don’t belong in the Horde argument.
Does every thread have to derail back to this discussion? Yah, the writing isn’t very good but neither is the writing for Void Elves. The topic is about what’s happening now in Suramar and ppls headcanons none of which is more valid than the other. It’s all just speculations and ideas to hopefully help write fun RP concepts.
It is the most suicidally stupid decision they could make to have the entire end zone expac storyline, available to both factions, a huge, epic storyline eating months of my time and investment yet lock further development of that race to the faction I don’t play.
For me, at the start of Legion, I was invested in the story enough to well and truely believe, at least in my head, that Raseri helped the Nightborne and contributed to the salvation of their civilization.
BFA just broke that and reminded me that it doesn’t matter.
I’ll argue that they don’t belong in the horde until I’m blue in the face but that’s the explanation I’ll give for why I’m upset about it. This is a case where the strength of their story before makes the decision worse.
Understandable. However by that logic Lightforged Draenei shouldn’t be alliance then either given that Horde players also helped the Lightforged.
I mean, it’s understandable to be like “well wtf” when you helped a certain race gain their freedom and then they join the other side.
However, I’d argue that it’s not so much bad writing that’s to be angry at, so much as it is the fact Tyrande is a truly awful diplomat, considering she just gave the middle finger to an entire race of people fighting a civil war and they were seemingly on the losing side. Kind of like kicking a guy in the ribs when he’s down.
But yeah, I guess I can’t really argue against being a little upset considering what both sides did for the Nightborne. Either way, I think one side would be upset regardless of who the Nightborne chose to join. It just made a little more sense for Thalyssra to join the Horde given how Tyrande acted vs how Liadrin acted.
The Shal’dorei are hard at work repairing and fortifying their city, knowing full well that the Night Elves, and by association the Alliance, have working knowledge of Suramar’s inner workings and secrets due to the events leading up to the end of the Legion’s invasion of Azeroth, and what manpower they can spare is directed more towards aiding the Reliquary’s efforts in understanding and utilizing whatever magical macguffinites the Sin’dorei’s archaeologists and experts are digging up or uncovering.
Those that might have a more martial or militant slant, however, are hard at work as small groups of specialist units we’re using for our Mission Tables, or producing teleportation pads and similar devices to aid the Horde War Effort.
Sylvanas and Gallywix are using said teleport pads and nodes to funnel large amounts of Azerite, troops and resources around without letting anyone know … including their own allies.
Thalyssa is quietly counting up the amount of materials being shipped out, the fact nobody else is receiving them and wondering just what the Banshee Queen needs shifted in such high quantities so secretly, and why neither she nor Occuleth is being informed about what is being ferried about using their signature devices…
It’s alright, lol. I figured you didn’t. The thread is getting a bit on and given the argument, it’s understandable that you might not have bothered scrolling through it.
I never thought this thread would reach into the 50s for number of posts. I also didn’t know about 5 of them would be on topic (lol) but I have read every single post, as I find this fascinating.
I guess deep down, I also feel the Nightborne should have remained a neutral race, maybe like the Pandaren.
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