official blizzard post about Dracthy’rs information is as follows… again…
Dracthy’r:
Legit on the Dragonflight Website
Yea they are dragons… Not dragonkin.
ok so this is you officially trolling and i think you should atleast get a warning for it.
Here… again… wowwiki, Lore in Warcraft through World of warcraft.
Again, just because I disagree with you does not mean “trolling”… Look man, you’re just straight being presumptive and trying to use your own head canon as justification… Dracthyr are “new” to the world… Prior to the starting missions they didn’t even have visage.
Sorry but the bottom line is, if Blizzard wanted it to happen they would have. You got a visage and a racial that automatically toggles it for you.
Be happy with that or play something else… If Blizzard implements a permanent visage, come back here and gloat, but till then you have nothing.
Legit last time im responding to you. I will just mark everything you have to say as Trolling now.
if you are not willing to contribute to the conversation outside of throwing out false information and wild theories. You are done.
Okay.
They are still science experiments and not naturally occurrening creatures.
They were created by Neltharian.
You are not DESCENDED from dragons.
You have dragon DNA and were concocted in a laboratory.
The website also says shaman buff their allies. It’s not a source of canon.
Let’s look at one more sentence directly after what you quoted:
" The dracthyr are an ancient race of humanoid dragonkin.[1] They have the ability to wield the magic of all five primary dragonflights as evokers, and, like true dragons, shapeshift between a draconic form and a humanoid visage.[2] The dracthyr were created in the ancient past by the black Dragon Aspect Neltharion, who combined the essence of dragons with the adaptability of the mortal races to create a race of ideal soldiers.[3]"
DRACYHYR WERE CREATED
You are not descended from anything.
YES!!! Please for the love of god stop responding to me… I know it sucks hearing something you don’t like but that is called adulthood.
WELCOME to irony. Maloriak was also a science experiment. Now if you are wondering who that is thats ok, he is fairly old content… Maloriak was a HUMAN kidnapped by Nefarian and fused with the corpse of dragonspawn. An experiment if you will. During the Blackwing Decent dungeon and the quests in the area refering to him in text and voice lines, he is referred to as an abomination to dragonkin kind. One of the quests asks if there is a way to save him and their response was “he is a dragonkin and will always be protected as such”. When you kill him within Blackwing decent you actually gain a bunch of titles based on which potion you took and such for a solid hour. Which also refers to Maloriak as being a WHELP (a dragonkin).
While i HATED Cataclysm, it is within the lore that Dragonkins can be experiments. Thus, Checkmate
And Maloriak never once uses a visage form or changes from his weird imp/dragon model the entire fight.
And guess what, he’s also not descended from Dragons. He’s someone who was forcibly turned into a dragonkin.
So, as really one of the only other “living experiment” dragonspawn to be shown, the fact that Maloriak does not use visage, or seemingly cannot, works against you.
Example:
Orcs descended from Ogres, who descended from Gronn and Ogron. There is a distinct lineage.
However, if someone were to make a wish on some dragonballs to become an orc — that person is not suddenly descended from Ogres. Their background doesn’t change because they are now an orc. Are orcs in general descended from Ogres, etc? Yes, but this person is not.
Come to Dracthyr, who are not descended from anything, but instead created in a laboratory experiment. To say that these Dracthyr are now descended from dragons, makes no sense — because they aren’t descended from anything. They were created in a lab. Merithra is descended from Ysera, because there is a trackable lineage. There is no trackable lineage for Dracthyr. They were made in a laboratory, and we have no actual lore as to how or what Neltharion did to create them.
All of you are arguing lore reasons for whether this should or should not exist, which is pointless because this is a brand-new race with few established hard rules.
There’s no reason it couldn’t happen, literally none, but it might not and we do have to be okay with that possibility. And if it does happen, and you don’t like it, then you can simply not do it and focus on yourself.
but… was he a Dragonkin? If you answered yes to that question, which you should it comes down to if he is an experiment and got no visage that we seen, But our experiments are a fusion of the 5 aspects to make the perfect weapon and we have access to the Visage tech. Shouldnt by lore our visage be the same as theirs. If you havnt noticed Alexstraza doesnt look exactly like a blood elf, she is a visage form of a bloodelf with horns attached… so are we… Look at Ysera, a nightelf, with horns attached… Look at Kaelgos, a visage form with NO horns. Nozdormu and we assume Murozond (nobody knows yet) use the bloodelf male model.
if you answered no to him being a dragonkin, you are just trying to fool yourself
OMG yes… Someone gets it. I have been trying to say this the whole time.
exactly. And change is usually provided by demand. Demand shows Visage being a thing should be a thing by numbers alone.
He becomes a dragonkin. That doesn’t suddenly make him descended from dragons. He is still Malory, descended from a human lineage. His past doesn’t change because he’s suddenly a mutant experiment.
define dragonkin… PLEASE… i need you on record saying this
Define descendant
Kel’thuzad was a lich. He’s not descended from other undead. He was a human with human parents.
I seriously think you’re being trolled right now… This dude just likes to argue.
That’s why I think it’s lazy and shouldn’t be heralded as the grand crowd pleaser. It’s going to be 2023 and Blizzard should know by now that cosmetics trump all other rewards - they’re evergreen and allow for personal expression.
A perm visage toggle is a band-aid fix on the fact the visage is only a half new model locked to two distinct races (based on gender), and that the Dracthyr aren’t as customizable as they claimed they would be. I will neither advocate for it, or applaud it if it happens.
Okay, so now I’ll throw Worgen on the list too. Why do you care? Why does it matter? Let players choose to be their Human form in combat if they don’t want to be a dragon or wolf. It’s not complicated. It’s not hard. It doesn’t harm anybody.
The only friction is from players who, for no good reason of their own, just argue on behalf of Blizzard and cite Blizzard precedence to defend against adding the option into the game. What does this do for you? What do you get out of Visage not being toggleable? Which horse in the race is yours? It’s not unfair to other players in any capacity.
And because I don’t like how you patronized me regarding Boomkins… Yes, I was alluding to when they added in the glyph to play balance without being a Boomkin. I know it wasn’t in the base game, but Blizzard added it in because people wanted it. You missed the whole point. You COULD NOT optimally play Balance without being in Boomkin form prior to that update. People complained. Blizzard added in the glyph. It made sense, it’s optional, people appreciate it, and it DOES NOT AFFECT ANYONE ELSE in any meaningful capacity.
The same is true of Worgen and Dracthyr. If they were allowed to toggle at will or stay in human form in combat, it would make sense, it’s optional, people would appreciate it, and it would not affect anyone else in any meaningful capacity. So again, what is your problem? Blizzard precedence is not your problem, nor is it even a solid precedent. You do not work for Blizzard. You are not paid to ensure continuity. What is your skin in the game???
Wowpedia: While there, these dracthyr learned about visage forms from Ebyssian and Wrathion and were able to adopt mortal visages in order to better commune with other races.
now lets look at Dragons definition of visage with the ONLY in game quest related to it.
Visage day is a ceremony basically the day that all dragon and dragonkin (dragonkind) decide on their visage form. Chromie was the first we encountered that did not want to pick an Elf form like all others and picked a gnome instead. (i actually just found out that kaelgos is half elf half human to better blend in with the kirin tor).
The following are considered a dragonkin:
All major Aspects: Red, Blue, Black, Bronze, Green.
All Other Aspects: Chromatic, Infinite, Twilight, Nether, Storm.
All dragons of the following stages, Adult stage dragons:
Elemental Dragonkin:
*Stone dragons
*storm dragons
Proto-Dragons - Ancestors of the Dragon race
Huamoid dragonkin:
Is a whole list of undeads but it also includes Vorquin and Hornswog as Dragons as they actually are by LORE.
Technically ALL of the races on the list (you can go read if you want to learn more about the class you are playing) have a Visage Day. This is the day when they go and select a Visage.
As shown in previous posts Visage is used in combat and out of combat in Lore and we witnessed this as Early as Classic wow (chromie in classic and in Legion) and as recent as After the vault of the incarnates (Kaelegos in cinematic) … By an aspect and non aspect.