What will you do when Sylvanas says

We have been watching the same show, and I disagree.

Jaina was a raid boss and was not worse for wear. She shrugged it off. Then she goes on to have the Horde Player serve her.

Perhaps if Sylvanas is a raid boss, and escapes at 10%, to finish by saying:

“The best efforts of the Players were nothing!”

Then she might be close to Auntie Jaina, as far as story dominance.

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Story dominance. Seriously?

Raid boss? Okay.

Two full on expansions are based entirely on the actions of Sylvanas. [Edit: Whoops! Forgot about the book!] And, hell, if you buy this whole “She’s been planning this since Wrath”, then you can include large parts of Legion. And, hell, probably Cataclysm.

She betrayed both factions, told them this, and escaped from the entirety of the Horde and Alliance military, somehow disappearing without a trace from the planet. Before beating the Lich King at the Frozen Throne, because she has magic powers that we’re going to have to discover, because she made a pact with an entity more powerful then anything we know about, and she’s so cool and hot and smart and everyone likes her and all her enemies are big dummyheads–

It’s enough to make me go “Just…just stop, okay? Find something new.”

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It took Suarfang challenging her to a game of Twister to finally get her to leave. She didn’t want to play because she didn’t like Saurfang and she knew Saurfang didn’t like her, but the her ego won’t let a challenge slip and she loves to embarass Saurfang, so she accepts.

Saurfang knows he can’t win against limber Sylvanas, so instead he plays the game in the most irritating way he can. Soon Sylvanas finds she’s got arms and legs deliberatly rubbing against naughty areas. After a while she has enough and deliberatly cheats to win by pulling a gun and shooting Saurfang.

The party guests and neighbors all see this and finally wake up to realize that Sylvanas isn’t all that great, so they turn against her. The police chief can’t protect a murderer so she runs away and the landlord runs with her.

Outraged by what happened, Sylvanas decides to try and bomb the neighborhood as revenge.

Anyway, that’s all I have for party analogies.

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This literally made me laugh out loud, and I was eating ice cream.

Your retort brings to mind Jaina’s conversation with Thalyssra:

Thalyssra: “Lord Admiral, might I ask about the spellcraft you employed at Lordaeron? The levitating warship?”

Jaina: “Would you believe me if I told you it was a Kul Tiran trade secret?”

Thalyssra: “Summoning the ship, perhaps. But as for the enchanted cannons…”

Both Jaina and Sylvanas have their power ups acknowledged, and left mysterious. But Sylvanas’s power up leads to everyone getting hot under the collar.

It is difficult for me to understand the Sylvanas hate, when Jaina and the rest are doing similar things, and getting away with It.

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Because there’s a difference between a neat trick and more or less godhood.

No one is even remotely doing anything similar to Sylvanas.

She beat Saurfang in physical combat. She beat the Lich King at the Frozen Throne in Northrend, and ripped apart one of the most powerful items on the planet. She’s somehow more tactical than all of the tacticians on the planet; up to and including the guy who the Ancients trusted to fight the invading demon planet. And she’s not just doing it, she’s doing it so well that no one can possibly stop her, or figure out her endgame.

And Jaina’s makes sense. For one thing, she’s a damned mage. She’s doing magic stuff. “All I ever wanted was to study”, and she’s studied, and made peace with herself and who she is.

[And seriously, nothing about that made sense to me. Thalyssra was okay with her summoning a magic ship, but surprised that the magic ship might have magic cannons? The hell did she think it was going to do? Just fall on the enemy; something that would have been absolutely hilarious, actually.

Anyway, back on task.]

My take on it is that people are getting upset not because Sylvanas is getting “powered up”, but she’s getting mysterious powers with absolutely no downside or explanation to levels that invalidate everything everyone else can do - collectively - and it seems to come from nowhere. And this is coming at the cost of everyone else.

It comes off as bad fanfiction. “I’m stronger than Superman, faster than the Flash, smarter and a better detective than Batman, I can beat all of them at the same time, and–”

Stop. Go home.

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Again, I feel that is far from unique to Sylvanas.

Jaina can dust off raid groups and she can be everywhere. Thrall is there. Genn does as he wishes. Baine gets saved like the perpetual damsel in distress, which is a form of being overpowered. He is quite literally the Sacred Cow.

I believe it is just a matter of taste. I happen to find Sylvanas to be as equally flavorful and distasteful as the rest in the bunch. I do quests for them all.

Yet, others see a distinction.

:man_shrugging:

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I respect that. The last thing I suppose I’ll say along these lines is that of those examples you mentioned? One person is not doing all of those.

Sylvanas, on the other hand, just seems to be some kind unstoppable juggernaut who can do all of these things at the same time better than everyone else…and they prove it by having her constantly beating everyone else.

Jaina, by the way, had to recover after that raid group that she “dusted off”. Sylvanas calmly flew away from her fight, the only evidence that anything happened being a scar in a place she already had a scar.

That’s the distinction. No setbacks. Ever.

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That’s because Sylvanas is so far into her 900 iq, 12d chess plan that even blizzard is confused as to what powerful anime move Sylvanas is gonna do next.

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You foolish, human warlock.

Don’t you know that buy making deals with those demons, you’ve unknowingly enacted a clause written by Sargeras himself that allows Sylvanas to turn you into her minion?

Of course you don’t. This plan was set into motion long before Sylvanas was even born, as that’s when the awesomeness of her unborn spirit attracted the Jailer–

–God. I’m going to stop right there, because I don’t want to give them ideas.

THE SAD THING IS THAT THAT IS NOT A JOKE. I AM GENUINELY CONCERNED SOMEONE WILL READ THIS, THINK THAT’S A GOOD IDEA, AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH HER AGAIN.

She will do her ultimate move:

The “Sylvanas no Warcraft”

Clap, cheer, and then come to this forum to lick up Night Elf tears.

(Not that I have anything against Night Elves generally, but 2-4 specific Nelf players have dedicated themselves to making this forum their own personal rage-tumblr recently and for their sakes’ I’d find it very funny.)

“As you command…my Queen.”

/bow

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I challenge you to mok’gora!
Then log before the shadowbolt hits.

Logging out requires approximately 10-15 seconds, I believe.

And that was no mere Shadow Bolt.

That was a friggin’ DEATH BOLT.

Goodbye.

Simp

/10 char

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Okay let’s simmer down before she gets more plot armor.

im betting on death goddess even just on the fact i doubt they will redo voice lines for undead