That’s just my assumption, though I don’t know who else they could possibly be talking about.
The overwhelming thing I got from him was that he felt threatened by my non-sexual relationship with his girlfriend for whom he was a total simp.
Maybe there was something in a novel or a throwaway line, but that was what they were yelling at me through a megaphone.
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there were few and vague moments that you had to actually be looking for to see it. But outside of that during screen time that was in everyones face yeah they had him down as a total simp.
Being important for the story and having a lot of screen time are not the same thing.
Anything he did could have been carried out by any other sufficiently powerful messenger boy.
I know. That’s what I’m saying. Can’t write anything and destroy characters on purpose when you’re not in the company anymore. It didn’t make any sense what you were saying.
I suspect that guy wanted Sylvanas to truly be the big villain and directed a lot of story in this way, let’s say BfA and maybe the start of SL. But when he was let go the other writers were having none of it, especially not Danuser, and tried to awkwardly write the story in another direction were Sylvanas was just misunderstood and our most valuable ally in the end. 
That’s a huge factor why SL didn’t make any sense.
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Are you talking about when Horde was on the ship?
Blizzard had already run into the problem at that point that they had killed almost everyone so they were scraping the bottom of the barrel just to populate the top of a small boat with named NPC’s.
GARONA is one of our main contacts for the Horde expedition.
Garona
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I mean don’t they usually have like the progress of having an expansion ahead in development. Hence why BFA azerite grind was a thing even though AP got really unpopular by mid legion?
Yeah, like 90% of Nathanos’ involvement in BFA story is basically him going “ok guys, Sylvanas told me to tell you X”.
He existed to give exposition so Sylvanas wasn’t doing it.
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If anyone is curious, this is the dialogue for the quest that loyalists were given in 10.1
Sylvanas Windrunner: Greetings, my most loyal ally. I speak to you now from beyond the veil of Death.
Sylvanas Windrunner: Here, in this place of eternal darkness, my work-- my penance – continues.
Sylvanas Windrunner: Though the Maw is an unlikely place for one to find peace, each soul I rescue helps mine feel a little more… whole.
Sylvanas Windrunner: As I ponder my deeds since being raised into undead, I have many regrets. Things said and choices made that I wish could be taken back.
Sylvanas Windrunner: But there is one thing for which I will always be proud: helping the Forsaken find their place in a world that shunned them.
Sylvanas Windrunner: My time to lead may be over, but I will always stand with you against those who would cast you out and call you monsters.
Sylvanas Windrunner: Under the leadership of the Desolate Council, a new group of voices has arisen to represent all Forsaken.
Sylvanas Windrunner: Stand proud in the Horde. Know that all of you were so much more than arrows in my quiver.
Sylvanas Windrunner: As much as the family I was born into, will always be my people. And one day, I do hope to walk among you once again.
Sylvanas Windrunner: I must go. There are many more souls yet to be freed… among them, one that is most dear to me.
Sylvanas Windrunner: Shorel’aran, my friend.
This really felt like Blizzard trying to fix what went wrong with the story. I want to say that I really appreciated what they did here, and I’m not an emotional guy but this made me a bit weepy.
I’ve said before that I don’t think Blizzard really understood what being Forsaken really means to a lot of Forsaken players. I think a lot of us feel like we are misfits, that we don’t really belong in the real world… but, we were given a faction full of other misfits and we had our own leader, and a lot of that was tarnished with BfA and SL, where a safe space or haven for strange and misunderstood people was almost ruined.
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They should have just had Eitrigg do it. He was standing right there and Eitrigg has been criminally under-used for 20 years, now.
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Nathanos was chosen to do the things he did because Sylvanas trusted him more than anyone else. He was also a war veteran and understood how the Alliance conducted war.
It’s easy to say, well, why not just have a random character do it? Well, that’s not how it works in real life and that’s not how it would work with writing either.
If by sexy, you meant the most contemptuous and grating. Listening to him talk about how important he was, over confident and holier than thou… 
When we got to kill him. It was the single best moment/cinematic in the game after wisping Archimonde at the tree.
I redid that mission 5 times. And seeing Tyrande appear for the coup de grace. It was so epic WoW could have ended that day. Nathanos was worse than the Jailer, more ugly than Theradras, more insulting than Garithos and insert or not, glad he’s perma dead.
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They develop a lot of the themes and systems a bit in advance, but it’s usually not completely finished, especially not the story. They cut the story in WoD and they obviously did the same in SL. Some parts of the story can even still be subject to change during PTR when the patch is near. They did that with 8.1 aka the Darkshore storyline and changed a few things after massive player feedback, so that the storyline was still a joke in the end, but not so insulting anymore.
This is actually a pretty dishonest statement considering what we know about her politics and scheming. In the books it was developed, iirc, that she basically just used the Forsaken and forced them with oppression into a state of mental numbness and forgetfulness of their own lives and individual character. She deliberately made her people more miserable to get them under control.
This statement is either bad writing or just shows that she’s still a pretty bad and delusional person.
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The dude went back to the same place twice. To die the same way…twice.
It kind of detracts from the cold calculating man he we written out to be.
Kind of… unless we consider this as a backtrack by Blizzard to fix bad writing direction, in which case it’s kind of amazing.
Me personally, I want Sylvanas to come back. She doesn’t have to be the leader of the Horde, but I would like to see redemption for her. She deserves a lot better than she got, and so do the fans, Forsaken or not.
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Hell more have even not “skipped” him.
OMG, he speaks! Lets actually hear this. once at least. Alts and skipping quest giver stuff is a given for most lol.
Mh, … meh. I understand that some Forsaken fans and fans of Sylvanas herself really want her to come back and do cool edgy goth girl stuff like in the past. But I think she doesn’t really have a place in the story anymore. Not as a protagonist or a figure that is respected by others. After a genocidal act, a war she started, oppression of Horde members and the pact with an old god I really don’t think she deserves any proper redemption. Ferry the souls in the Maw back to a peaceful afterlive isn’t some kind of noble act that will redeem her - it’s just the logical thing to do, to fix at least a small part of the atrocities she did. And the people of Azeroth probably won’t care or even know about this.
If she just comes back and takes back her place as a political figure and hero in the Horde like nothing happened it’s not really a redemption, but her acts just get awkwardly brushed unter a big rug and let all other characters look like they drank some amnesia potion.
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Cuz Blizz wanted to write an in-story s*mp for Sylvanas since she was losing real life fans cuz of how bad they been writing her these days.
I think I agree with most of the things you said, but I think she could have a substantial job if she came back. She’s one of the most important characters, maybe the most important character Horde side, when we’re talking about the faction divide.
I don’t think Blizzard would ever really do away with the factions, but, if they did she’d be one of the most important and relevant characters for uniting the Horde and Alliance, along side Anduin Wrynn, whom are both currently (as far as I know) working together in the Maw to find redemption.
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I think Anduin left at the end of their short cutscene together to explore his own mind. Sylvanas said her goodbyes at the end. The question is how did Sylvanas unite these two factions? Not through heroism but because she was viewed as the dangerous villain by everyone, so even her own people turned against her.
From a player’s perspective - yes, it’s great that her arc did that. But I don’t think characters would view this as a good thing.
Even outcasts can have an important job. And I hope she stays one. Some consequences from her actions should still show.