Not necessarily. I can think of a lot of situations in which saving a lot of people would be a horrible idea practically, even if it is the morally correct thing to do.
Morality is not as easily defined as you seem to think. Greater minds than ours have been wrestling with the concept ever since it was conceived.
Okay, so I read the relevant chapter. The older you get the more careful you have to be with what you do with your free time I guess so I will read it in full when I have more time. Thatâs why I am here on a computer game forum reading a book to make an argument. Omg whatâs wrong with me.
Sorry, lost my train of thought. Regarding canon, there is some give and take here. I believe my perspective here to be both fair and straightforward: The more the book supplements the source material, the closer it is to canon; the more it overwrites the source, well there can only be one source of truth, so it would have to be the game in this case unless stated otherwise. This seems to lean towards the âsupplemental sideâ so I will agree to consider it for now.
Here is why I think I am still right:
1- The scene in question, Arthas still jumps into murder mode almost immediately. Unless there are two books and I am reading the wrong one, he is evaluating nothing before making his declaration. Sure he did have a moment of hope, but that was before he could âsmellâ the grain. Jaina is the only one trying to come up with ideas, and every step of the way Arthas will have none of it. He tries to rationalize in a âgoodâ way, he makes an argument that almost convinces Jaina, but it doesnât really convince me, and itâs my opinion, not hers. Uther on the other hand is just standing there like a lump doing Uther things. But he is not on trial here, that can come later. Another thread for another time.
2- By their own admissions in the book, not everyone is probably going to be infected. Arthasâ rationale is simply that they will become infected at a later date and become unwitting agents of evil, so he is just saving time.
3- I think you misunderstood my original comment in the first place, or I failed to make it correctly: I wasnât talking about what actions he could have taken to save everyone from the plague. I wasnât talking about what actions he could have taken to undo and cure the plague. I was talking about removing what uninfected he could from everyone else, even if it was just a very small group of people. Arthas, according to this book, believed that the plague was very fast acting, in his mind the the uninfected may not have been infected in the first place, or at least would only need a very short quarantine time. The act of trying to save some people, one person, was missing from him.
4- The book still very much alludes to multiple soldiers present in numerous ways. He is still dismissing people from service. Not really sure from the book why you think there are only three people standing there. Again, they may not have been able to rescue everyone, nor was I suggesting that. Maybe they could even only rescued one person each. But to try is the paladin thing to do, he didnât try. His heart was set on death first, ask questions later.
My original opinions stand, but this is my opinion, not fact, not whatever disclaimer that must be disclaimed here.
That is all I have for now.
Just thinking back on it, reading that section, it actually lines up pretty directly with the conversation Sylvanas and Saurfang had in setting up the attack on Teldrassil. With the same bits of thinking on Jaina and Saurfangs parts as they get led into agreeing with the point Arthas/Sylvanas has decided on.
As a capitalist I genuinely have no problem with the idea that corporations are consistently viewing it this way, that the moral choice is where profits lay, so Iâd say go for it.
I am sure that you are correct.
I apologize for my misapplication of the phrase there.
Nuke it from orbit.
Arthas and Jaina werenât exposed to the pathogen, the entire rest of the city was. Magical plague of 100% make you undead because it is MAGIC man you might as well say Arthas and Jaina werenât hit by a fireball for all it mattered.
Well if we are going âby the bookâ not even Arthas and Jaina thought that, they had a conversation saying otherwise. Canât have this both ways.
Also, why wasnât Arthas infected, he sure wasnât practicing social distancing when he culled an entire city. Plot armor I guess?
Iâm gonna take this one point at a time-----
He jumps into âmurderâ mode as you put it because he knew they were too late. His intent was to save the city before the grain was distributed. The grain had already been baked and passed in an entire city, A CITY. Arhas, Jaina and his soldiers had already fought for their lives in the previous two towns and barely survived. At that point, he knew the city was fu#@ed and there was literally nothing that could be done. Jaina herself admitted she rather die by sword than turn into a zombie.
Thatâs exactly the pointâTIME. Time they did NOT have. The citizens had already distributed the baked bread and Arthas and his crew witnessed firsthand how quickly they transformed. At any moment, an entire city of citizens would inevitably turn into an entire city of zombies; that was a guarantee. If that would have happened, all of Lordaeron would have been destroyed by the Scourge.
I didnât misunderstand your point at all. Let me repeat this: It was impossible to tell the affected from the unaffected. There was NO WAY to discern this; I canât make this any clearer. They had neither the manpower nor the ability to tell the difference. As far as the people who didnât eat the grain, I agree with Arthas: it was a mercy to kill them as opposed to locking them in a city about to turn into zombies. Now THAT would have been cruel.
If you read the book, his heart was in trying to SAVE those people, to save EVERYONE. That ALONE was his goal. But Arthas was pragmatic and understood that once the grain was distributed, the city was done. This wasnât a theory, this was based on his personal experience from the previous encounters. There was literally nothing he or ANYONE could do, NOTHING. At that moment, he didnât act as a paladin, he acted as the leader of an entire nation. And as verified by Jaina and Uther three days later, there was nothing left but burning buildings. Arthas saved all of Lordaeron.
As stated previously: they didnât eat the grain.
Fair enough.
How many of these âpeopleâ judging him saw the almost instant âspewingâ blood and transformation⌠WHAT WOULD YOU DO? ⌠yes this is fantasy, we think. This is so aligned with the constant Hollywood threats of some kind of âepidemicâ. I really find this suspicious. Why does no one really question how they poisoned the food? Is it a GMO food? Bugs now being pushed that we should eat? ? I am just asking questions.
I had asked my friend who knows nothing about WoW this question, with just a tad bit of backstory.
He said he would have nuked the entire zone, basically. Better to have all that death on your hands than let a plague go rampant and potentially destroy the world.
So yea, theres an outsiders view.
Do you remember they did that in Aliens Vs Requiem⌠I really did not like that they did that, (edit) because I really wanted more of the movie⌠seemed they did not know how to finish to movie so they just nuked it? Maybe that is reasonable? I donât know.
I remember that movie and yeah, I wanted to see more myself.
As for them nuking the town, yeah, it is what it is.
There was also another movie with Dustin Hoffman and Cuba Gooding Jr. called Outbreak. The entire town was affected with a deadly plague (sounds familiar?). The ONLY reason the town wasnât nuked to stop the spread was because unlike Stratholme, they were able to find a cure at the last minute.
Just like in âX filesâ and aliens the ability to âspreadâ this alien⌠but, now I really think we are just supposed to be afraid and accept what ever âcureâ, I am now questioning that? Those movies/series were good though!
He was supposed to tell people to shelter in place, shut down all non essential businesses, implement LoS and social distancing guidelines, force all players to âshow helmetsâ in public settings, and limit raid parties to 10 man groups until a balancing patch came out to protect the citizens from the plague.
You said it! I would add they need to add all those âstickersâ on the floor to direct you!! 6 ft!
i laughed so hard at this lol
He should have just had a mage teleport the entire city to the sun 
or what ever they call it in Azeroth.
Damn. And people think Arthas was heartless. 
It would have been less cruel for an instant death vs a " whose getting whacked next"
That list right there is some AI slop