Well if they had 2h Frost still I would probably be playing BFA right now. There is just not much I want to play and I have been on the edge of canceling for a month now, but I still want to play Wow, but every time I look at the game I can’t find a class or in-game content that makes me want to log in. Every time I log in and look at the world map I think, “Meh, same old world quest with the same garbage quest rewards”. And this new corruption mechanic is so damn boring I don’t even want to put 30 min of my time on it. It’s nothing more than another ball and chain to add to my feet among the other 3 or 4 Blizzard had decided to shackle me with.
I seriously hope Blizzard does some serious class design work for Shadowlands.
It all depends on what you mean by if they had 2h Frost still. Does that mean just using the weapon? An older playstyle like WoD, or just a better playstyle like Wrath where the weapon had no playstyle changes but DW was better in terms of dps and still hit hard?
Everyone, well almost everyone I should say, wants a better spec to play. Legion had some good stuff in the artifact that was just “artifact is gone and so are all these good traits” even some Legendaries helped with gameplay and those were taken away.
A 2h weapon just isnt going to fix anything other than satisfying peoples want to have a certain look. There are benefits to 2h being in the game like just needing 1 weapon to drop instead of 2.
If you fix the spec now since its what so many people are disappointed in, then anything you add on top of that is just a bonus. Add 2h on top of a good spec and its just a plus.
I don’t think blizzard has the capacity to equally balance dw and 2h. It just won’t happen, one will always be better and one group will always be mad. I wouldn’t be super opposed to them not being equal and if changing tier by tier, like this tier the dw weapon effects are crazy so we play dw, next tier that 2h axe looks insane so you’d probably use that, I doubt that’ll ever happen bc that’s a balancing nightmare though.
My thought process on the subject is, they removed it, then gave into the vocal forum posters to appease them, then removed it again because of all the balance issues. I don’t foresee weapon style choices coming back, because they have seen how much time they can put into other aspects of the game.
It never was balanced, but that’s not the point. Some people merely prefer the play style of 2h to dw regardless of performance. Same as the people who want enhance shammies to be able to use a 2h again. It’s not about the numbers, it’s about letting people play the game they want to.
dual wielding never made sense as a dk.
How did a FROST spec become associated with the dual wielding and quick attacks. Bolvar had the right idea with his hammer. SMASH.
dual wielding was a gimmick that should have been pruned in wrath.
Because that was the spec that launched with a dual-wield talent in the tree, and the spec has had Icy Talons increasing our Haste/Melee attack speed from launch-present. They literally designed the spec to be this from the beginning.
Talents within a tree are irrelevant to their theme? Not sure what to make of that argument, as that is completely antithetical to the point of the trees.
The placement is irrelevant. It was in the frost tree. All specs could tank, DPS, DW, or go 2H. That doesn’t mean they didn’t have ideas about what they preferred the specs to be like. You were also giving up important talents in other places in order to do so.
Oh, and that has done so well for them so far right? LoL Blizzard doing exactly as you suggested has caused the vast majority of Sub loss I would argue. What would you rather of had better class design and options of Azerite gear and AP? Blizzard spends to much time trying to keep you busy as a secondary job instead of spending time on making a great class design play experience. People loved the Artifact tree and hated the AP/AK grind and Netherlight Crucible in Legion. Depth and options in a Class far outweigh “other aspects of the game”.
Well that’s just it, I don’t understand how this is a hard thing to balance. I see it as simple as this. If you want AoE talents you DW, if you want to do more ST focused damage talents should favor 2h dps. It’s really as easy as that. Warriors have talents that increase their AoE. They also have talents that focus on ST dps. So why can they not balance 2h and DW???
The DPS talent could be as easy as you have 3 options, 1st option can only be used with a DW, Option 2 is 2h only, and option 3 is a static buff of some sort or a what ever Blizzard wants. If they could do this for Shadow Priest who’s rotation and play style can change heavily based on talents why can they not do this for Frost?
2 talents based on what you want to do forcing you to get 3 weapons. That sounds horrible. Needing new gear sets because you get new items is bad enough. The easiest thing to do is just give people the transmog option. At this point it’s just a cosmetic thing because other than the extra DW mechanics it plays the same, that is if you could use 2h with obliterate and frost strike.
Fix the spec and just open up transmog so people can have a 2h.
Forcing? Who said anyone was forced? You either pick AoE or ST. That is they way the game has been designed in the past. You don’t have to be good at everything. Although why not right? In vanilla you had the options and tool kit to do everything and they did it very well. They only made these changes so they could spend less time working and more time spent making easy (to make or content that cost little to make) grind content that cost them little $$$ and made you spend months on their grind mechanics.
Blizzard was already doing it, this fellow just suggested something they have been doing already for years.
A warrior not Lock, and we did have options as I listed. Sword and Axe/Polearm spec were viable, Mace spec was viable in PvP. There was also the 31/5/15 spec that you could off tank and run dungeons with, and DW Tank spec. I take it you have not played Classic at all. It has become quite well known that DW Tank and Sword/Board are both viable in raid content, but they use different builds that were not common in Vanilla unless you knew your class well. I knew of the DW tank spec in BWL and I knew it was the superior threat generating spec 13-14 years ago. There are other options, you just have to not be a close-minded elitist to know they work.
You seem to have taken my post wrong. I’m not against options, but Blizzard is, and fewer options is easier. Not sure why you seem so triggered by my post, I wasn’t advocating for anything.
I figured you were advocating against since I think that’s the most likely way to take that statement since the wording is not a very nice way to agree with a said group. “Gave into the vocal forum posters to appease them” is the way you talk about someone you think is whiney crybabies.