100% yes.
I had a blast playing DH in BFA.
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You had it in Shadowlands as well, hope you found that fun, because theyāre going to give you back the massively busted FG we had back then.
I had a lot of fun in BFA as DH and I like SL DH mostly - sinful brand was annoying but still more fun than current.
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Yeah I just canāt agree to that, but well, everyone has their own opinion.
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so true, but SL Havoc was not like BFA and not nearly as fun.
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Bfa Havoc was braindead garbage. DF Havoc would be great if Momentum and Fodder were just deleted already.
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Your also forgot initiative and serrated glaive and make Netherwalk base line.
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Just deleting Momentum would be enough to make me go back to Havoc.
Itās the single most annoying, unfun and just flat out destructive talent to ever exist, in any class and in any spec. (and IP Fel Rush fury gen, but thatās probably going to be gone soonish)
How this garbage has survived for this long still baffles me.
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it was miles better than the trash we have now, left side of the tree (essence break) forcing us into a boring and unfun playstyle that only lets us do impactful damage in 40 second windows while we afk during downtime.
If youāre not playing top end content, then you donāt need to pick the left side of the tree.
If you are doing top end contentā¦ dang lol
I use all the talent points to pick the top rows everything single one of them - D
Truly one of the builds of all time
you should be able to do pick either side and do top end content, period.
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You should be able to, yes. Unfortunately, that just isnāt the reality.
thats impossible, not just in wow but ANY game that uses a talent tree system or rows or any generic customizable power system. there will allways be a top build for peak content, if yall actually bought the cope of ātalent trees will make every build viable and possibleā then idk what to tell you. even the most basic system diablo3 has top tier builds with specific armor sets and legendaries
im aware and that is fine, the issue is essence break and KYE by extension are severely outperforming the other options, this is the issue. specially when it can be addressed by tuning down break and tuning up class abilities.
players asking for options just want to be able to play the way they like and still be relatively close on output unlike how it currently is.
every spec in the game right now has a portion of the talent tree they have to take regardless of build. some portions just honestly make the spec work, for example ret paladins need to go down the row and grab wake of ashes and its capstone talents or else its non functional as a spec, holy has to go down and grab tyrs deliverance and its capstone, fire sunkings blessing and frost dk getting big dragon talent.
havoc having kye and essb as its mandatory column is honestly way better than having SD path being the mandatory column cause kye brings crit and stat scaling while essb brings a burst option instead of a closed consistent damage profile.
again, its not a matter of simple tuning, its design. i understand players thought talent trees ment they can make any build and be competitive but no thats now how any system works. i honestly dont understand where the initial thought of āall options viable with talent treesā came from.
ultimately tho, if a person does normal or even heroic raiding content or even 16s m+ they can literally play anything and be viable and close on output to people in their own skill level. play what you enjoy at the end of the day, it wont change the weekly heroic raid grind
so its allowed to be how it is but if someone else wants it the other way (which clearly a large portion of the havoc playerbase does) its wrong rofl and ofc no in between of allowing both playstyles to actually be close in output to cover everyones preferred playstyles.
your bias shines bright dude, your clearly a ret main masking as a havoc player in these forums to sabotage the spec because you clearly take issue with demon hunter like a large portion of the playerbase. all you do is fight anyone asking for options while failing to discredit anyone who might differ from your narrative or opinion.
the fact is people want options on how they play and still be competitive in high end aswell as low end content, but you want everyone bottlenecked into one lame boring playstyle that has havoc playing like a crappy arms warrior with colossal smash and only having fun/doing impactful damage once every 40 or so seconds. your attacks are toxic and super divisive.
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Dude, I explained you already, youāre basically delusional with your narrative about āmost people wanting a sustained profile and BfA Havoc backā.
Thatās not a thing. Absolutely nobody that understands how the spec works and worked in the past wants to ever go back to it.
The spec definitively has issues, but as said, EssB is not one of them. Iād make it baseline if I was the dev of the spec, same with KYE. Those things are NEEDED for Havoc at this point.
Hell, Iād even add Chaos Blades back to the spec if I had power over it to give it even more burst, lol.
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2 others just agreed they enjoyed bfa so clearly your wrong and spiraling in an attempt to deflect, nice try.
KYE maybe, break no. its not needed and never was.
horrible idea, was a silly and unfun cooldown that was abused due to snapshot with dinner bell. Also bottle necked us more into a cooldown-centric playstyle which we desperately dont need.