I’m paying attention as well. I mean, you have no proof?
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I enjoy the slower pace of the game. This game is like a lot of mmos that came around a few years before and after it in that it is, at its core, just a grind fest. The quest really server to cover that up, hence killing 30 zhevras for 4 hooves and the like.
But if all you see is that grind and the next level, then I don’t know what to tell you. Some people get more out of it than that.
(Edit: However, I don’t get this eternal euphoria some people seem to have either. Sometimes it’s just boring. I get that way with most games though.)
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It did improve things a LOT, for me on my Hunter. I don’t know how I played Vanilla, back in the day, without something like Questie.
Yes, I also enjoy general chat.
Agreed that there is no AH market at the moment, at least on Myzrael. Besides Questie, I’m using Auctionator; It is pretty cool and shows me market value of stuff (after I initial turned off its default “undercut by 5 percent!”
However, the market is what a vendor would pay, basically, since we are all in the early stage.
The problem is that there is no “alt” economy yet, which is ideal to be in as an MMORPG player:
The best time to play is not now, but when level 60’s exist en masse (without taking advantage of layering, or junk) and THEY are on their first and second ALTS. THAT is when the prices of Linen, Wool, Ores and Herbs go up. So then us “newbs” can get rich!
My NE Hunter is now in Lakeshire, after westfall. she has herb and mine but can’t really make money on the AH. I’m actually thinking about getting leatherworking and skinning, since then I could at least make my own gear. But I keep on hoping that because I’m not leveling so fast (only level 17, at the moment) that the AH economy will kick in.
Hmm, maybe that is what my Hunter should do, then. 
I could honestly care less about what people do with layering, since it really isn’t “exploiting” since Blizzard put it in and it works that way. I’m not going to take advantage, since I don’t see that as fun. Also, those people are going to improve the economy for me
I kind of like the feels, too:
I’m also playing The Bard’s Tale, tales of the Unknown, on the Xbox one. It was really the first game I played, in 1986 , on an IBM XT CGA computer. I’m playing it more like how it was meant to look, with the same basic graphics but in glorious VGA and a more polished interface. The play is still very primitive, but it is somehow amazingly fun (more so than modern 3d games.) Part of the draw is that I only played it in horrible CGA, back in the day, with 5 1/4 inch floppies.
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I’m having a blast on my Druid. Skinning and. Leather crafting for me. I make better gear than whats dropping. I have tanked and done questd. I’m having a blast. This is far better than live. Cata through BFA were boring for me.
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Yes. It’s become a defining item for me. They either take action against the exploiters or I walk. My desire to continue playing is up in the air right now so I don’t really care to discuss much else.
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That’s the game. If it doesn’t sound appealing, you’re playing the wrong game.
Does it feel nice to replace those whites? Think about it for a minute. If not, then I guess I can just repeat the other answer.
I’m not trying to be mean, but not everyone gets dopamine from vanilla character progression…and that’s fine. Personally, (and I don’t know if this will help at all,) these are the things I look forward to when playing:
- New skills and abilities, along with new ranks. You don’t get the power boost until you actually go and train. Not training can leave you behind in power, making leveling more difficult (which ties into everything, really.)
- New gear. Similar to the above, the power difference is often noticeable. This is largely satisfying in contrast to retail, because with BoAs and auto-scaling, new gear barely matters. Level scaling is the bane of character progression…or at least one of its banes.
- New dungeons. Running RFK on my shaman now, and can do SM soon. Do I spam run them? I always plan to, but end up only doing them once or twice a day. New dungeons means more loot, and leveling…so it ties into the other points.
- Learning/relearning my class. My totem binds are a mess, but that’s ok…it’s nice to actually have totems.
- Anticipation for higher level dungeons, and the satisfaction of clearing them.
All of this would mean so much less if vanilla’s endgame had catch-up mechanisms for every raiding tier; the fact that everything builds off itself is what makes the journey worth it to me…so yeah, the opposite of retail, it would seem.
We all play for our own reasons though, so if you can’t find enjoyment, then…well, try a new class or something; there’s no point in forcing it. I do understand the desire to understand why others love something that I do not, though.
Goodluck sorting it out. 
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Kill every damn thing. Not just the ones with stuff you’re after and vendor every time your bags are full. If someone tosses an invite, jump in and kill stuff together. Do the messenger runs. Every one you can find. Save hearth to IF because tram to SW is free. They get you by the shorthairs for flights to Duskwood. almost 3s from Westfall but Westfall to Redridge is only 99c
PS, if you’re a skinner, you can skin the critters too. 
You’re not looking for proof. We’re also not allowed to post names, so…
There are already threads up here and on Reddit talking about the exploits and how they work. It’s not hard to understand that you can clear an area our of high level herbs or ore (like thorium), then hop layers, and do it again.
It actually does, I get a green on my level 17 Hunter and it is like the second coming
Oh, my herb and mining hunter never thought about the layering connected with Herbing and Mining. Oh well, by the time I’m higher level, layering will be turned off. Then it will all kind of level out.
I kind of don’t see why they did the layering? It seems like a really dumb thing to put in at this point, when so many people were around anyway and they were going to put in server transfers (as they are) if it was overcrowded?
The mobs only have silver, if lucky, or copper.
I’m getting very few upgrades, so feel like I have to at least buy an AH bow for 40 silver every few levels.
There seems to be no AH economy, at least not on Myrael, where mined ore/herbs, or sold AH stuff barely even get a few silver.
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One thing I don’t understand now, and didn’t understand 15 years ago, is why so many people have trouble making money. What’s really odd is that I have been on Discord and told people exactly how to make money since launch, and they are still broke. Meanwhile, I have this character and another level 22 on a different server with all skills, 10-slot bags, and each sitting on around 20g. I almost always have my first gold by level 8 or 10.
What in the world are people doing to not make money?
Well they have been better about addressing Classic problems, than in live wow, but that’s when there’s really a problem
I love this aspect of the game as well. I also love the fact that you have to think about how you spend your silver. Do you upgrade your profession, upgrade your skill, buy a piece of over priced gear, etc.
I saw a guy spawn directly on a mining node as someone was trying to run to it. And then, poof he was gone. I do not think that was ever part of the Classic experience.
I post on my 120 so that I do not lose my trust level 3.
OP, I did not play Vanilla. I started in Cata, and I’m having a blast. Sure, getting the blood of cougars takes a lot of time, but it also provides the opportunity to skin.
I’m helping people out and they are helping me out. People say hi to each other, talk to each other, buff each other and it is very refreshing.
The one aspect of Classic I dislike is the layering. Today when I came online in Hillsbrad Foothills, I was completely alone in my layer. Not a person in sight, no one answering me in General when I asked if anyone else was in the zone. Nothing.
I had to join a group with another guildie in order to get into a zone that had people.
But beyond that experience, it’s been a blast.
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Neither was only having 30 realms and hundreds of thousands of players piled onto them. Layering was needed since wow is not new
So…what are you doing to make money?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Embrace the suck lol. I find ONE mob type to grind that drops some things that stack. Two types at most since some places have, for instance, wolves and spiders. Some of those things that drop are garbage, so I just trash them. I fill my bags with the stackable stuff and any “high” selling crap, and I vendor it. Rinse and repeat and grind a couple of levels that way before going back and clearing out a round of quests. Zhevras drop ‘large flat tooth’ that sells for 71c, but they stack to 10 which means each stack is 7s10c. You can start killing those around level 12 effeciently. But the real key, for me, is to find me a spot where I can kill comfortably with my class and that other people aren’t populating.
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Retail wasn’t garbage,
most of us just got bored, and as fickle gamers, they always wants the new shining toy. This time it happens to be classic.
When we talk about retail, that’s BC, WOD, MoP, Cata, BFA all included in one big pack, don’t say you have no memories of good times playing them. Why else would you stick so long with one game if you don’t enjoy them.
I just can’t fathom why classic lovers has to bash retail so hard. Bet most of them would slowly died out and leave the game out of boredom pretty soon, or crying for BC expansion, or crawl back to retail once the novelty dies down.
let’s face it, no matter how good the expac is, there has come to a point where progression meets ceiling and we took a long break. It’s always been like that.
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I understand that part of it, and I do understand that it was needed. I sure don’t want to end up on a dead server. However, with it came exploitation. Blizzard had fair warming that this would happen because it happened when they introduced cross-realms.
that’s because you’re FIFTEEN YEARS OLDER than you were when you first played. how do people like you not realize this simple stuff
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With anything wow comes exploitation.
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Sounds like you are looking for a reason to not play the game. Layer hopping really shouldn’t be affecting you very much. The economy is bad because it is flooded from everyone leveling, and people saving for mounts.
Stop reading bad news and just play the game.
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