What one human does is not representative of al lhumans.
That would make every Blood Elf collectively guilty for each and every action of their own race. Same with the Orcs. Same with the Tauren. Same with the Forsaken.
That would make Kael Thas attributed to the Blood Elves. The Forsaken all to blame for the massacre against both the Horde and Alliance at Wrathgate. Also you would have to blame all of the Tauren for the actions of the Grimtotem tribe for murdering random shamans and druids in Thunderbluff overnight in their sleep.
Thats not good logic. Individual accountability is more important and logical to point fingers at than collective. People can be lied to and tricked.
Just like the Orcs in Warcraft 1. They were tricked and being controlled by evil Orcs in their own midst. Sometimes accountability falls on a single person. Not everyone involved.
Arthas, but this one doesn’t count in my book because, for one, Ner’zhul is REALLY the Lich King who convinced Arthas to go crazy evil, which was a Hordie at the time. The Horde also has Gul’dan, Grommash, Zandalar, Every Forsaken Ever, Magda, etc. etc…
Camp Taurajo. A. CAMP. We lost two major cities, but don’t worry guys. A camp is drastic.
Gladiatorial fighting with orcs. Ok yeah, this one is pretty bad. But the orcs invaded our planet first, so there’s that whole thing. (Gul’dan should be blamed here, so chalk it up to a Horde bad)
The Masons bit was pretty bad, but also an inside job from outside sources.
If you’re questing a lowbie in the Barrens you get the full story on that …
Basically it starts out as a military mission with targets, but the Alliance army has been spread thin so they make use of conscripted prisoners from the Stormwind jail to bolster their ranks. Those criminals overstep their orders, kill innocents and loot the place instead of just sticking to military targets.
The officer in charge, though, finds out about it and orders your PC to go arrest the rogue soldiers to make amends. There’s a quest where you go in and do just that. You return to the officer, who has already started out on a journey to the next fort up the road to give his report on what happen (and it is implied he intends to make further amends). But on the way, a Horde assassin kills him on the road before he can reach the fort and deliver his report.
And that’s basically where the storyline ends. I was expecting someone to appoint you to finish his mission, but that’s not what happens.
In the end, what it means is Taurajo was the result of a squadron gone rogue, and the Alliance attempted to make amends for it but the champion of that plan gets offed before he can finish his work, so the whole “Remember Taurajo!” movement continues even though it’s sort of borderline. And definitely pales in comparison to Theramore, etc.
Which race was it that had their spoiled prince turn into a death knight and slaughter his own people turning sylvanas into a forsaken banshee leading to the events of teldrasill?
I know the way the Aboriginal population was treated was very typically british and therefore abhorrent. I was not meaning to defend it by any means, my example was only of how one might better have handled the orcs once their pit lord driven bloodlust hade been removed from them.
As to the point on the prisoners…I was…under the impression and now that I think on it I’m not sure from where that some of the prisoners sent were simply petty thieves and swindlers but also a large population of much harder criminals as well. Now i have to go read a history of australia and try and work out where I got my notions about it from.
Ah well, a more educational rabbit hole than usual at least.
But yeah, the biggest atrocity that the alliance committed was allowing Garrosh to live at the end of MoP. Because not putting him down indirectly made them responsible for Warlords if Draenor, Legion, and Battle for Azeroth.
I think it’s about 165,000 convicts over about 80 years, with the majority being petty criminals as the real hard stuff (like murder) got you killed rather than exiled.
Also a really low percentage were women and their children.
For comparison, America had somewhere between 50,000 and 120,000 convicts (the British kinda sent them everywhere)
That might be the entrance for the vile Alliance of warmongering vigilantes you play as.
But the Horde enters through the Zocalo. The Horde encounters Dwarves burning Troll civilians.
Perhaps Jaina and Genn did not go with the rest of their forces and keep them in line. Civilian lives were of no concern to the Alliance leadership. Those Zandalari civilians were burned for merely being Zandalari civilians in their ancestral homeland.
Who cares what Genn and Jaina “say” if they are chilling at the top of a pyramid while their soldiers are burning civilians in the streets of the city they are marauding.
That is one of the problems with the Alliance. The words of their leaders mean nothing. They call for peace when it suits them.
So yeah
Difference is it was your prince.
Like our choice is the warchiefs choice.
(For the dark lady)
In essence all this is because all the humans were racist imo
They aided the insurgent Night Elves in attacking Ashenvale, the ancestral home of the Warsong Clan. Sylvanas was right to burn that giant weed that encroached on the Orcish Homeland to cinders.
They killed 90 perecent of the orc population just to get to garrosh in orgirmmar. Then complain when their city is attacked. Then kill king R, and still complain. Before the alliance they are also responsible for burning legion coming. Night elves were to blame for the well construction so overall the better question would be what good have they done.
Game is called World of Warcraft. So, war is the premise of the game. Personally, I view war in terms of how can I crush my enemy in the fastest and most complete way possible while utilizing the smallest amount of resources and losing the least amount of troops. I would say the side doing that would probably win the war.
If you are talking about who is doing the nicest things during a war, you are probably talking about the losing side. Let the merits of who is right and wrong be written in the history books. By the victors.
That’s kind of how war WORKS. If you choose to involve your nation in a war then it’s only natural that your enemies will try and remove you from power in some way.
War has rules, even in the middle ages it had rules. He was given the option to surrender, an option that is not always given. Not all rulers/nations get to choose how a war will end.
He chose to continue fighting, which in this case was the right choice. While that choice cost him his life, it was HIS choice. The Alliance is not absolved of responsibility, but Rastakhan is partially responsible.
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