What is the biggest atrocity the Alliance has committed?

True, but could the Alliance and the Night Elves held the Legion back on their own? We do not know. It was because of Medivh that brought the Horde and Alliance together. It was also because Thrall knew the impeding threat and decided to help out. If it was up to Garrosh, he would have been one of the Legion’s allies, because he decided to drink the blood of demons.

Could Thrall scare Archimonde off by showing him a copy of WoD? We’ll never know, but it’s just as irrelevant.

That was Grom, and I can’t see Garrosh, as insane as he was, ever drinking demon blood willingly, that seems like a line even he wouldn’t have crossed.

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Yeah I don’t think any of that really made it to the game. What is written on wowpedia (since it won’t let me link) " But not all of the Drust agreed to wage war against the human settler, prompting the Thornspeakers to leave the Drust and join Kul Tiran society."

If we go even further back. It was Naz’gul a orc that helped the Legion. Then when it came to him being defeated, he was punished by the Legion, by becoming the Lich King. So, we can go all the way back it was the orcs fault to the Legion’s fault. So it was the Legion’s fault.

Except the rest of the horde and Zandalari forces were returning. Remember how the horde was chasing them after they killed him? They only succeeded because they tricked the horde and Zandalari armies to go elsewhere. They were running away when they returned. They could not have just sat there.

Sure, but Stratholme happened far before Ner’zhul became directly involved. You have to assume responsibility somewhere, and be consistent with your logic.

there were undead and cult of the damn there right?

sounds like ner’zhuls involvement to me.

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Arthas’ decision was his alone, though. The cult caused the problem, but Ner’zhul had no influence over Arthas’ mind.

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I am not the one calming someone who is defending himself is to blame for his own death against invaders who wanted to capture him and his family. My comments were all based on the absurdity of your original comment.

Let’s not forget, when you enter the raid - the Dark Iron’s elementals are attacking merchants.

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I will say I was probably wrong about Camp Tauragjo.

The Sacred Bell was obtained by the Alliance. Then it was placed in Darnassas. It was moved through Daralan, but was not used to attack the Horde.

The Horde on the other hand decided to use Daralan to attack the other side, the Alliance. See the difference, of course you do.

That is just it he was defending “me or mine”.

They deserved it for not surrendering, don’t you know.

And what did you think the Horde army would have done against a fleet in the bay raining cannon fire down upon them? I mean you act like you could have just strolled up and attacked the ships with your bow…

You were chasing the ground assault team but that was only needed because the Alliance decided to not bomb the city into dust with their superior navy packed in the bay.

Well at least the Alliance learned something from their loses to the Horde. I mean it’s not like you guys didn’t use a little feint and misinformation of your own to get the jump upon the NEs.

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Yeah, screw those guys for defending themselves against giant animate blobs of fire kicking their door down.

The nerve!

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I have to ask if you did the raid. Horde and Zandalari ships chased their ships. The alliance had a small strike force in the bay. They did not have a siege force.

Nah man the Alliance only wanted to kill their friends and family who were soldiers as well as capture their king and princess. Totally on them for resisting.

Yeah, your right. I keep on forgetting names. There are so many names in WOW, but I know it was an orc. Maybe part of the demon blood made it to Garrosh. Could be the reason he went insane.

As an aside: Did they ever explain the ‘button of death’ they used on the fleet? I refuse to play Alliance, but that left me scratching my head.

I’m assuming they did a stealth mission at some point to plant the bombs?

You chased the remaining ships, those are the ones that stayed behind to get the ground forces out and to hold off the Horde. You have a single ship left in the final fight, hardly a threat to what the Alliance had remaining.

And for not having a siege force, there sure the hell are a lot of Alliance soldiers running around that city during the raid. Hell we even brought tanks with us but nope, no siege force to see there…

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