What is going on with MMR in BGB placements?

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I’ll start by saying past two seasons I’ve gotten a bunch of characters to 2100 or 2400 CR in BGB and I’ve never experienced this before.

I am playing my ret and went 4-0 in my first four matches. This got me to 1900 MMR, except the journey to 1900 was weird because every single match was a 1300 MMR lobby. So then I finally lose that 5th match at 1900 MMR in a 1300 lobby it drops me 600 POINTS to 1300. Legit almost quit there but thought maybe it was a bug or something. Won the next two matches, again both 1300 lobbies, and now sit at 1700 MMR, 300 points higher than you start with, with a 6-1 record.

What is going on here? Has anyone else experienced this? When placed in 1300 lobbies I’m clearly helping to carry my team because I have an 85% win percentage but for some reason I am not getting placed in any higher lobbies despite my MMR. I’m pretty close to 1400 CR now so in all likelihood I have a game or two left before I stop getting CR altogether if this continues. Is this a bug?

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MMR doesn’t matter so much at start. Get your CR to 1600-1700 and check your MMR then.

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MMR absolutely does matter? It decides what games you get placed in. Not trying to be rude but how many 1300 players should I beat before the game says “let’s put him in a different lobby.” That’s like the entire point of the system.

Also, like I said. I’ve done these placements with dozens of characters and have never had this only low lobby placement happen before.

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Well you said

What was your MMR when you started? What I mean is that MMR will swing hard in the first games between 1300 and 1900 MMR, then if you win, it goes up to 2000 or could jump high at 2400 to test, then drop back to 1400.

Your MMR has likely not stabilized yet.

Also the spec you play might impact your MMR, but that’s just my assumptions since there’s more players competing for that spec.

My BM spec has put me through a lot of 1300 lobbies and they’re really hard to play because of all the chaos.

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Where you playing a mistweaver monk?

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Placement matches. When you are over 30 matches played reconsider your MMR Vs CR. They can still be different of course. Some players are in the 100-200 matches for a single character and still dont have as much CR as they do MMR if they have had significant win streaks or dont have as much MMR as they do CR if they lost a bunch lately.

Your personal MMRs purpose in the eyes of the developers is to help use your MMR value, along with others in queue, to have team matchmaking fairly even (your teams average MMR equal to your enemy teams average MMR), and additionally used to decide what you deserve from a loss or win in that match.

At 1800 MMR I fought in 2500MMR lobbies, and at 2500 MMR I fought in 1800 MMR lobbies. The important part is that each team has a similar average to hopefully provide a match that isnt over in 5 min.

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This is just not what I’m talking about in this post. The entire point of MMR is to place you in matches with people of your skill level, the point of CR is a rewards track. You’re saying, I should stomp on people below my skill level for 30 matches before the game accurately considers my skill (even though the game already is tracking my skill level with MMR)?

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What I’m saying is the game doesn’t claim to know what your skill level is until after thirty matches.

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That is asinine. Some of the top players in the bracket have 50 matches played. You’re saying these people need to just stomp on lower ranked players for 30 games before being placed properly in the last 20? That’s called a broken game.

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That’s an opinion someone can have. But if you keep up the good work, you’ll be going against some of the better players in the game in no time.

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This exactly happened with my Frost DK. He won all his first 9 games but still got placed in a 1600mmr lobby with 1300mmr players. After losing the 10th game, his MMR dropped from 2100 to 1600. This was my DK’s first rated PvP in the Frost spec, so I kinda understand why it was seeded low.

But then, my Marksmanship Hunter, which is also a fresh alt in rated PvP, only won 5 out of the first 10 games. Yet, somehow my hunter ended up with a much higher MMR after those 10 games compared to my Frost DK.

Guess it all depends on the lobbies available when you queue LOL.

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Things become less volatile once you’re out of placements.

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Is there official documentation about these placements? I keep seeing people mention that, but I don’t remember Blizzard officially confirming their existence.

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I don’t remember that either, I’m just going by feel. So I could be wrong.

But I could swear it’s around 25 games give or take a few before you’re out of placements.

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Sounds odd unless you play something dumb like a brewmaster monk or queue during really odd hours of the day.

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Those lower ranked players could also be in placement games.

Some MMR was saved from previous seasons, like my MM started at 1900 this season but my BM which I never played started at 1300.

Those who were at 3000+ last season might have started at 2200-2400mmr, so they shot throught the lower ratings.

The system works.

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way to completely take a random part of the quote out of context. If you think skilled players stomping on new players for a 20+ matches to determine MMR is a good experience for the new player I don’t know what to tell you.

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yeah Blitz is pretty wack.
Like how do you practice for it? You cant, you just jump in and lose your first few games while you learn the differences from normal BG’s
I was ‘lucky’ enough to be around in DF and got to play it in the test phase but yeah, new players need / are expected to jump straight into a rated mode and more or less give free rating to xp players.