Neither am i, I’m just confused about this statement lol.
youre missing the whole point
Oh well I have to sleep anyways goodnight everyone, don’t know what this thread was about but may you have a great day.
Yes we all agree, and even blizzard agreed they are not happy with corruption. The reason they aren’t changing it is because “players already worked for what they farmed they don’t want to make them change”.
While I completely disagree with this mind set, at least they tried to do better than titan forging. While a massive fail imo, both systems won’t be in Shadowlands.
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If you’re going to claim that then it’s D3 that copied WoW and not the other way around. Mythic + descended from Challenge Mode dungeons and those preceded D3’s rift system by 2 years. Emissaries are nothing but a bunch of dailies which preceded all of D3 by 5 years.
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Not claiming anything like that.
I’m saying they are similar. I have no idea what came first.
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It’s more that ActiBlizz is obsessed with trying to turn everything into an esport to make money, since just having people pay for a game isn’t enough anymore.
Esports killed HotS that was never designed to be one, its hurting Overwatch and hurting WoW now.
I’m sure you can demonstrate where this has actually happened.
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I’m highly disappointed this wasn’t a “git gud and learn to out dps” 
ilevel and/or gearscore didnt matter for a very long time. Corrupted Gear is raining especially when you do Horrific Visions. It doesnt matter if DPS players have rank 3 twilight devastation for AoE, I have a better combo for 75 corruptions. Also the same with rank 3 Infinite Stars. I have a better combo for its 75 corruptions. My ilevel 465 decent corrupted gear combo is outdps’ing the one with ilevel 470+ with rank 3 Infinite Stars. And I dont have my BiS corrupted gear yet.
You are just salty becoz you dont have much Corrupted gear. Well, I have TONS.
And btw, Diablo 3 is a good game too. RNG is RNG since Vanilla. I didnt get Ashkandi after 24 weeks of doing BlackWing lair… but I got Zinrokh and Untamed Blade very early. My Main DK didnt get her BiS trinket in WoTLK but my alt Hunter got 3x of that trinket. My alt Hunter is outdps’ing my main DK becoz my Hunter alt got lucky with the loots. RNG was RNG. And up to now RNG is RNG.
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I love diablo 3! dont get me wrong!
I am sure there some some classes who dont rely as heavily on corruption gear. but I know warrior does. And it sucks.
On some pulls im 2nd or 3rd DPS only because of corrutption, if i dont get that proc, while other people are, i fall off.
Id love to go back to not having to worry about corruption, and while yes, it does rain from the sky with visions done. But thats not what we should be aiming towards honestly.
wym gear and ilvl didnt matter for along time? last time i played (S1 of BfA, it mattered a lot. so its been 2 years of 1 ex pac, technically not a long time in wow time) Last time i played, a 370ilvl player, pulled their weight and did their damage, while players with lower ilvl didnt.
But now it doesnt matter what ilvl you are, as long as you have the corruptions to do the damage for you.
Once again, another person missing the point
Yes. There are gazilion trinkets which existed since S1. And MOST of them are GARBAGE. Look at my ilevel 445 Trinket… It’s outdps’ing all my ilevel 465 trinkets. And that trinket was there since S1… and the high ilevel garbage trinkets were there too. ilevel doesnt mean anything.
Also the Azerite Traits… if you remember if you use Azerite combo without Archive of the Titans, becoz you have awesome high ilevel gear, your DPS would be GARBAGE.
There is a reason why people dont pick high ilevel people on high M+ keys. Becoz high ilevel doesnt mean anything… raider io score has way more meaning.
you just made my point!!
The gear, im so cool with that! idc about that! thats awesome!
445 is season 3 high mythic key i believe.
Season 1 is 385 for +10 mythic titanforged.
My whole point, is. High ilvl used to matter. You confirmed it for me right there.
1 piece of BiS ilvl 440 trinket, wont matter when all your gear is 475. It’ll barely make a dent in your ilvl score.
But the corruption thing. that sucks. it really does. I have friend who are not lucky with their curruption rolls.
I got luckly and got a T3 TD at low ilvl, and its helped me get to higher keys. Just solely because i have that corruption.
gear SHOULD matter. your ilvl SHOULD matter.
raider io is important, no doubt. But you have to be able to look past that.
A good player with crap corruption wont have a great IO score.
a baddie with good curruption which puts out the damage, can essentially get carried through 15s way easier.
I just believe this aspect of RNG on top of RNG, is just too much and its just driving the game further and further away from what it really should and could be
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A good player with crap corruption wont have a great IO score AT START. He could keep on playing and since Corrupted Gear is raining, he would eventually get a lot. Give him few more weeks of farming Horrific Vision and he would get TONS. Once he get them, his IO score would start to ramp up.
Wrong. A baddie with good corruption wont be able to handle the corruption. He would keep on dying. And he would never ever gonna get invited for high M+ keys becoz he sucks. I saw someone with 3x Infinite Stars like first weeks of 8.3, and his DPS was awful… He cant even wear them. LOL.
Corruption RNG is not that bad. When you get bracers, gloves, belt, pants, boots, 2 rings and 2 weapon slots, it could proc into a Corrupted gear. If I didnt cleansed my corrupted gear, I would have 3x Corrupted gear per each slot right now. Where were you when 8.3 started. Looks like you were just left behind.
i stopped playing when battle for draz came out.
came back a week ago.
I wasnt left behind. im never behind 
Yes, you are. “x is like y” implies that y is the primary or original and x is the knock off that is like it. Given the context of this thread I would say your language was intentional and you wanted others to buy the fallacy that wow copied these features from d3. Backtracking now only makes you look like an amateur politician.
Huh?
I literally admitted I have no idea what came first.
What are you even babbling about?
You’re blind as a bat then.
Tower in shadowlands is basically rifts.
Been heading this way for a while now. Visions are d3 inspired and i’d argue mythic+ is, as well as emissaries. There’s even an argument for corruption being similar to the d3 cube, since it’s sometimes so powerful that ilvl doesn’t matter and you wear it for the proc anyway.
Not necessarily bad things, mythic+ worked out great until they kill it in shadowlands. But definitely d3 stuff is seeping in.
You’re right there is too much ARPG influence in WoW. I think what happened was they saw the success of these other games like Dark Souls, Diablo and Path of Exile and they wanted to pull some of those ideas in but did so without having a solid map of what an MMORPG should be.
ARPGs are largely single player experiences with party play as a side piece. They focus entirely on action, fast paced gameplay and itemization.
MMORPGs differ from this per the genre label. It’s a massively multiplayer experience which comes long before action, fast gameplay and itemization. When you think of past WoW and games before it like EQ itemization has always been there but gated behind community. Want that red dragon breastplate? Get ready to make some friends to get it. No it won’t come in ten random flavors. No it won’t be next to impossible to BIS. It’ll drop eventually but to even get the drop you’re going to need to socialize, network and help others in game.
WoW has been creeping slowly away from that and TBH, it blows. This isn’t to say WoW cannot be a great ARPG. It could but the role it serves in the MMORPG market is too great. You have to be what you’re supposed to be sometimes not what you want to be.
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