A common contention between Pro-Flyers and Anti-Flyers is the statement “If you don’t like flying don’t use it.” As a Pro-Flyer, I see the fault in this argument. It’s the same fault that the Anti-Flyers point out every time. That puts them at a disadvantage in the world because flyers get everywhere faster, which means world bosses, ores/herbs/fish/etc are harvested faster, leaving those without flying or who choose not to unable to keep up.
What if instead of removing flying we created a new game mode, like Warmode, but “Flying Mode.” If you’re in Flying Mode you see your own set of everything, just like in Warmode. Rares, world bosses, nodes, etc, would all be relegated to their own section.
This way, those who don’t like flying could leave Flying Mode off. They’d be with other players who don’t like flying, and wouldn’t have to compete for spawns or nodes with players who have a flying advantage. They’d be able to see people running around, showing up places, etc, the way they feel is immersive.
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What if flying phased you out so that you weren’t competing with non-flyers for resources, allowing non-flyers to actually choose not to fly and not end up incapable of farming or rare hunting because flyers keep getting it all first.
Anti-Fliers wouldn’t go with it. They don’t want flying to exist period. In their mind, somehow being stuck on the ground with them makes me more social.
I think that ship sailed, adding more phasing isn’t going to result in a worse situation because it’s already completely borked.
True, I’d rather just have flying, but I’d also rather not have to do Pathfinder either and that didn’t pan out.
-shrug- Then the arguments about immersion are completely fruitless. I’m simply making a suggestion based on a common disagreement.
I suppose that might be true. The first part. I’m not more social on the ground than I am in the air. I’m not talking to that random mage #124123 any more than I’m talking to that random paladin #81249.
I believe you understood what I meant but are intentionally being obtuse about the point.
I have seen the ongoing debate for 5 years, daily in the forum. I have seen ALMOST ZERO “anti-flyers”. I’ve seen maybe 10 people in 5 years. That is not the debate, and never has been.
The debate is between these two sides:
{1} Blizzard can set any flight rules they want. And they did.
{2} Blizzard MUST change the flying rules, to allow [various changes: flying at day 1 of new expansion; flying without pathfinder, etc.]
That is the 2 sides of the ongoing debate. Nobody is against (anti) flying. They are just against “players can over-rule Blizzard”.
It would more than likely be a lot of work on Blizzards part for something that everyone would use…
Personally I think since it was the PVP’rs that jumped on board the Ion train back in WoD in their attempt to remove flying, that war mode should suffer the consequences and not allow flying. That way their wpvp won’t suffer… I mean after all according them that is what killed wpvp.
No I am not saying that. I’m a consumer, and I have never been able to dictate rules or prices to ANY large corporation. Never. Why should Blizzard be any different?
“Pro-consumer” does not mean “the consumer sets the rules”.
Did you even try or did you laugh at the people who did and then ignored where they succeeded?
People who dictated rules to Blizzard is why Pathfinder was even allowed. People who dictated to Blizzard is why Classic is coming back. Maybe you just assumed you couldn’t and therefore you decided you won’t.
It’s too late. I’m vehemently opposed to flying, but once they let it out of the bag in BC, I lost. Flying isn’t going away.
You can’t take things away from people without absurdly pissing them off. That’s why so many people hate class pruning, and why, at least I, am so utterly dissatisfied with the entire Warrior class right now.
Now the focus should be on integrating flying in a way that minimizes it’s negative impacts. This is where “pro-fliers” and I disagree. I’ve seen many people simply disregard the negatives of flying. Most of those folks that I’ve actually checked turn out to NOT be PVPers, unsurprisingly.
There are many things they could do, but it doesn’t feel like Blizzard really puts a lot of effort into PvP anymore(Warfronts are PVE events LMAO). Until that changes, discussion is not going to be productive.
falacy one is flyers get everything and grounders get nothing,
however granting you that specious argument
It would end up being like WM, the grounders would be crying because every single person who turned it on knew what they were buying into it.
Thus like warmode those who are having fun would fall outside the grounders schadenfreude and that in itself makes them unhappy as denying others is where they find their happiness.
I do not mind how others engage in basic transportation, but what ever.
This is just a small sample, of course (I’m not going to find every single one, that would be insanity levels of commitment). There are very much Anti-Flyers, and they pop up at least once a day on my radar.
Edit: And in this thread!
Not that she’s arguing for removal, but she’s clearly anti flying in sentiment.
My post was about the assertion that anti-flyers can just not fly, and the rebuttal that not-flying when flyers are around puts you at a disadvantage so it’s not a reasonable statement.
So I proposed a suggestion that would remove that disadvantage. Pathfinder is only tangentially related to the idea in the sense that there’s a window where some have it and some don’t, but everyone is still dealing with each other.