That’s because the Horde blew up the city-state that was intended to be the place for Lordaeron refugees. Splitting residence of Capital City makes sense as a consequence.
lol so this is the new Horde angle regarding BtS? Just pretend that the Gathering was a massive failure that fell apart even independently of Sylvanas ruining it? We’re just going to ignore all the people that reconnected, that Calia considered it a success, that Anduin considered it a success (until Sylvanas killed everyone)
That Turalyon gave it his full approval? That GENN GREYMANE of all people attended and it convinced him that the Alliance could coexist with the Forsaken?
That after Sylvanas’ massacre, the Alliance returned and buried all the dead, including the Forsaken who didn’t choose to defect, with full honors complete with Lordaeron tombstones?
I stand by my statement. The only obstacle to a political resolution in the Northern Eastern Kingdoms are Horde players with imperialistic ambitions in the region and an interest in ensuring that the Forsaken are kept isolated and alone to serve what they perceive as the Horde’s political interests.
Maybe it’s because this forum is a Horde echo chamber, where Alliance posters tend to not post much but Horde posters are omni-present upvote machines.
It’s basically a microcosm of the game right now, I guess. Thank god the writers ignore this place.
Apparently. Not to mention the parts of said book when, when in Undercity getting permission for the meeting to take place, Elsie mentions that there are many more Forsaken not on the Desolate Council who wanted to reunite with their living family. There were a few members at the meeting who at the last minute couldn’t accept what their loved one had become, but these were the minority, and the fact that they left peacefully on both sides without anger or violence is, in fact, what changed Genn’s mind about the meeting being a bad idea and that he’d been wrong about all Forsaken being bad.
Sylvanas flipping out over being told about Calia’s presence and realizing that a grand total of four people wanted to stay with their living family members and having her dark rangers murder everyone except the few who’d been rejected by their families and returned to the wall is what ruined the meeting.
Any reasons for not trying a co-existence is purely game devs wanting to keep up the tired old faction war and hard-nosed “muh faction war/pvp!” players.
I think that the fact that Horde players object to even the mere notion of the Alliance and the Forsaken coexisting in Lordaeron really shines a light on what the real obstacle to peace is here, and it isn’t the Alliance. Heck it might not have even been Sylvanas. It’s the fact that a large portion of the Horde playerbase does not want peace. They see peace in Lordaeron and the reunification of families and the idea of the Eastern Kingdoms finally moving on from the Third War as a defeat.
It has nothing to do with the Horde playerbase whatsoever. I was contending the notion that…
This statement is so incomprehensible that it makes the idea of Mekkatorque and Gallywix becoming best friends and starting a business venture together sound completely logical in comparison.
You are saying that not a single Night Elf, Worgen, or other member of the Alliance would have any issues living with the Forsaken after what happened in the 4th War. Hell even before it. The notion is ridiculous.
I would think the more likely desire among those other races would be to fully evict all forsaken and make Lordaeron a living human colony again. They’d have no reason to support any allowance of the forsaken remaining in what would be alliance territory.
Screw them Night Elves and Worgen, then. Oh and the Dwarves that died up there, too. And any Gnomes or High Elves also I suppose. Garithos would be so proud of you.
Exploring Azeroth seems to suggest that the Alliance is all in on Calia and Voss’s reforms. Specifically, Anduin and Calia want to reform and integrate the Forsaken back into humanity (be it as Alliance, neutral, or even de jure Horde) and the other major relevant political figures involved, Genn and Turalyon, seem to support it with varying degrees of optimism.
The Eastern Kingdoms Alliance’s primary religious institutions, the Knights of the Silver Hand and the Church of the Holy Light, also seem to accept the idea of Forsaken integration and are offering their support.
The Night Elves don’t seem to have any opinion as to what goes on in Lordaeron and Ironforge seems content to defer to the human kingdoms on the matter.
So the consensus for the Alliance seems to be that the Forsaken’s presence is fine so long as it’s a passive one that doesn’t serve as a strategic foothold for the Horde and that the Forsaken stop killing Alliance humans trying to repatriate to Lordaeron.
And honestly, given just how battered and decimated the Forsaken were by the Fourth War I’m not sure if the Forsaken have much of a problem with the arrangement if it means that they might finally have some peace and happiness again.
The worgen, specifically Ivar and his bloodfang pack, absolutely HATE the forsaken. They went out of their way to go to Darkshore during the 4th war just to pick a fight with them again. (Which is awesome mind you)
No, he did not ‘kidnap the populace’. A few refugees that fled from Theramore got taken prisoner (some were modeled after named NPC’s, but they’re all just generically labeled ‘Theramore Citizens’.) yes some were in cages for you to rescue and some are forced to fight, but I don’t think they crammed the entire populace of Theramore into the Valley of Strength.
Yeah they intercepted the ships evacuating civilians and brought them back to Orgrimmar to torture and kill for fun.
That’s only speculation, that was never stated in game or in any of the books. The prisoners could have just as likely been taken in the Barrens or Dustwallow Marsh during the initial attack.
A few? From my understanding all the refugees went to Tanaris and before they headed to stormwind they got intercepted by Garrosh and got taken to Orgrimmar.
