Your argument is predicated on the assumption that private server players make up a large portion of the classic playerbase. Unless you have some sort of statistic proving this, I don’t know what to tell you. That’s not even considering whether or not your claim that private servers are “all about” getting server firsts is valid.
There are plenty of reasons why new players would prefer fresh servers to established ones. Take PvP realms, for instance. Even with the level 58 boost, new players leveling in the Outlands are going to be at a big disadvantage. It will be very hard to deal with players of the opposing faction, when they’re decked out in Naxx gear. On all servers, it will be hard to get raid spots for new players, in the early days, when there will be an abundance of better geared players than them. A lot of Naxx gear is better than or equivalent to gear from heroics and level 68-70 normal dungeons.
We haven’t even begun to consider how players with tens of thousands of gold are going to impact the economy on established servers. And then, you have the players who just want fresh so they can experience the atmosphere of a realm where everyone is out in the world questing and interacting with each other.
Don’t go to Ganktown if you don’t want to get ganked.
Ever since Classic launched, there have been many people, on PvP realms, posting some variation on “this isn’t fun, make it fair!” The solution has always been within their reach, and they have always resisted it. Occasionally I try to point it out to them, but they never seem to appreciate this so usually I just shrug and move on.
Because none of these “new players” can find 9 other “new players” to go to Karazhan with.
Allowing, for this post, that the first Prince Malchezaar kill will be ten people who brought Naxxramas gear from pre-BC (which means either an Alliance raid with no shaman or a Horde raid with no paladins, so…kind of skeptical).
These new players don’t care about getting a server first. So why does that matter?
This thread was never about the consequences of playing on a PvP server. You’re also going off onto some segue about how people complain about getting ganked. The reality is, that if given the option between two PvP servers of similar population, most new players would probably opt for the one where they started on the same footing as everyone else, and aren’t dealing why enemy players who severely outgear them.
Even if that player doesn’t mind getting constantly ganked in their questing greens by a T3 rogue, and has no complaints about PvP on a PvP server, that doesn’t mean that they would not have preferred the alternative where that rogue is also in questing greens. You asked for a reason why someone might want a fresh server beyond your belief that people only care about server firsts, I provided one. You don’t have to like this reason, it doesn’t change the fact that it demonstrates how someone would want a fresh server for reasons other than what you believe.
As for the other issue, I never said that new players wont form their own guilds and raids. I just said that it’s going to be more difficult for them to get raid spots in the initial stages relative to on a fresh server, where everyone is going to have to be grinding dungeons and heroics to prepare for T4. You keep circling around to this idea that wanting to stay on pace with everyone else is some means to an end of getting a server first. But it has nothing to do with that. The reality is that not every server is a Whitemane or a Sulfuras or a Pagle. There are only so many raiders, and established guilds are going to have an easier time of recruiting talented players. Getting a guild off the ground is difficult in itself. Getting a guild off the ground when your server already has 10+ raid guilds with reputations is even harder. Of course some of these new guilds will succeed, but I’m willing to bet that a lot will fail partly due to the fact that they’re trying to encroach on territory that’s already claimed.
It seems like you don’t have a rebuttal to my last paragraph in my previous reply, detailing how many current servers have ruined economies, and how some players just like experiencing a realm when everyone is out and about leveling. For the former, I can already see you trying to argue that fresh servers will just have their economies ruined in a couple of months too. This may very well be true, but to some players, even just having a few months where the economy isn’t destroyed by bots and rmt is better than dealing with an economy that has been suffering from such things for over 2 years. If you’re a new player and you have a choice between a bad option and a very bad one, why would you ever opt for the latter?
Remember, you’re the one who set these ridiculous conditions that people only want fresh for server firsts. There are plenty of reasons why someone would want fresh even if they don’t matter to you
I’m never going to get a server first. I like fresh servers so I can be a part of the community building, and perhaps to actually get one of the names I want.
Pay attention to who you’re responding to. You said no one wants “FRESH” because they hope to get server first, but because they don’t want to compete against people in Naxxramas gear.
I said, “If they’re not trying to get a server first, what are they “competing” for?” That was the first thing I said to you, and while you’ve sure posted a lot addressed at me* since then, a tiny bit of it has been addressing that, and what has has been silly (there are only so many raiders? There’s no hard-cap on raids; if there are ten people who want to raid, that’s a raid. You’re acting like we’re talking about real-world jobs here). If you want to withdraw the “compete” statement and go with “there are many reasons why people want ‘FRESH’ servers,” you should do so.
*Nominally addressed at me. “I can already see you trying to argue”–look, if you want to have an argument with a voice in your head, you can do so offline, or at least not casting me in the role of the strawman you want to beat up.
its true. i hate playing on a PVP server now but I blame nobody but myself for picking it in the first place. I can transfer off if I want to start over with a new guild and new friends but that aint worth it.
really? its not ideal but i highly doubt it makes it impossible.
I never said no one wants fresh for server firsts, I said that people motivated by that are probably very few in number. I have provided plenty of reasons why people would want fresh outside of wanting to get server firsts, but you keep hanging onto the Naxx gear example. You won’t even touch why a new player would prefer a fresh PvP server to an established one, if given the option. Or why a new player might want a server whose economy hasn’t been suffering from extreme inflation for two years. Or why some people just enjoy the feel of the world when everyone is out and about questing and forming new relationships with other players. At this point, the ball is in your court.
As for the Naxx gear example, it really just comes down to new players not wanting to feel like they are one step behind everyone else. We don’t even know how many new players are going to join and actually hit 70 for TBC. On some servers, I wager there won’t be surges of new players, and those that do join will be left with an environment where its hard to get groups, because they’re just hitting 70 when a good portion of the server is already raidlogging Kara. Wanting to be on the same pace as everyone else has nothing to do with wanting to be server first. It’s part of the reason why Blizzard is offering these boosts in the first place.
You’re right about one thing: I have no interest in addressing all the stuff you’re saying to counter all the arguments that the voice in your head is making.
If you ever feel like actually trying to support what you said that I initially replied to, you’ll know where to find me.
I gave you multiple reasons on how new players will have to compete with established ones, outside of going for server firsts. Economic reasons, PvP reasons, PvE reasons… But you have no arguments, so now you choose to gaslight and act passive aggressive when confronted with things you don’t like to read.
Ah. If you define everything as a competition, then yes, they do need to “compete” with people who have been playing since before BC came out. At this point you’re actually claiming the people who want “FRESH” are even less mature than the OP is; at least they have these people actually competing for something, instead of just, “I’ll feel short if you don’t cut all these other people down to size!”
If people think it will only take 3 months to ruin a Fresh server economy, I think they may be underestimating how easily it will take a bot network to get up and running on a fresh TBC realm. Paladins require a significant amount of gear compared to mages to become efficient farmers/boosters. This combined with the fact that there will likely be no paid boosts or transfers to these fresh realms means a bot network will take a long time to get off the ground.
You also have to consider that very few instances in TBC are bottable. With the open world being super contested with a condensed map size and massive server populations they will have a very hard time farming the big money making materials that people are interested in outside of old-world leveling proffesion mats. At best they can try set up some druids to flight form herb/mine, but with nodes being waaaayyy more common (and lack of exclusive herbs like black lotus) regular players will be able to compete with them much easier than what it is currently on classic. They can forget farms like cleft-hoof and mote/primal farms, players will have those on lock every day (especially pvp servers).
this man is a genius. he figured us out. we want server first kills on 15 year old content. it’s not about anything else. give this man a medal and cancel our plea for fresh servers. it’s over everyone, go home. thank you for peacefully and patriotically making your voices heard. he knows we don’t mind the dirty, fraudulent mage abuse gold and we certainly love the concept of boosting foreigners from across our borders. so smart and talented. ok good night
Bingo OP. Those resetting private servers are a wasteland, the very definition of a hollowed out, wrecked game bc nobody cares about the game anymore, it’s just a means to an end to claim bragging rights.
Frankly, I hope the fresh people do quit, as they say they will. They’re the worst part of the community.
