What does 'bring the player, not the class' mean?

And guess what my good chum? I’ve once made a thread about celebrating Juneteenth and yet the community on this wicked place still flagged it. But you still don’t see me boasting about what I’ve did for pitiful bragging rights.

If and when you stop with nonsense, yeah. I’ll take you off ignore.

SMH dude.

You sometimes have to bring a class because it provides Bloodlust, Lock rocks, or a Battle Res.

When you have “Bring the player, not the class” so many classes have those abilities that you can bring the best players, because the niche abilities are on 5/13 classes.

To be direct, i used to have to bring a normie Shaman for bloodlust even though he sucked. But now i can only bring the sweatiest chads to the raid because the classes are homogenized and those sucky nerds wont drag down my dps. Big pumping is all the matters.

9 out of 10 times you’ll take an average frost dk over a good windwalker monk i bet.

thats how you know that phrase makes no sense :slight_smile:

it’s kinda like when the diablo4 crew said “play your way”… it makes no sense but it sounds good so they use it.

It’s the gaming version of “it’s not the size, it’s how you use it”.

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This was much more important for LAN parties than it is now.

  • You had to actually SEE the person. And smell. Let that sink in.
  • Better if the player was the opposite gender, not just playing one.
  • LAN ran on binary, get over it.
  • If they bring more than the class, like snacks, that’s an obvious plus.

Nowadays it isn’t as important.

You should have led with this. I mean this, this spoke to me. Take me!

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It means every good player should be able to complete the content. But it also implies that the content is being designed to facilitate this, rather than designed around certain meta specs that make up a meta comp.

Nobody in this thread has given an actual answer, so I thought I’d link some articles from when the phrase (and its counter) actually happened.

“Bring the player, not the class.” - Greg Street, 2008

“Bring the player, not the class is one of the most misinterpreted phrases of all time." - Ion Hazzikostas, 2018

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“Bring the player, not the class” is a phrase that means that no single class or combination of classes should have such synergy or utility that not bringing them leads to a drastically suboptimal party/raid.

A good example would be giving Heroism/Bloodlust to Hunters and Evokers and Mages, rather than locking this extremely important single ability behind its one original class (Shamans). If only Shamans could bring the ability, every single raid, and maybe every single party, would require a Shaman or risk being extremely suboptimal. As it stands, multiple classes now bring the ability, and in a worst case scenario where you can’t get any of them, you can still use drums. Drums are less effective than the ability itself, but much much more effective than just lacking drums entirely.

Battle rez is another example, where the ability broadened over time to multiple classes, and even consumable items. You will never be hard stuck on an encounter you need a battle rez for just because you can’t specifically find a Druid.

Now, there of course are some classes that still have entirely unique utility, and sometimes Blizzard has gone back and re-added unique utility (how many classes now provide a unique, flat raid buff, like the shaman mastery skill, druid vers, priest stam, paladin devo aura, etc).

When people speak in favor of “bring the player, not the class,” what they’re talking about is making necessary abilities and utility available to multiple classes or through consumables or by designing fights to make those utility abilities not necessary, so that you have more options regarding who you want to bring (because they’re your friends, because they’re good players) and don’t feel stuck bringing someone just because their class checks a box nobody else can check.

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I don’t blame them for flagging you. It is a game forum and likely violates the Code of Conduct. Even though there was no ill will intended, it is still very much a racially charged topic, and the people on this site are not really known for having reflective judgement.

As for the “nonsense” as you put it…

So if I can not comment on all of that, I’m sure you can figure out how to overlook my posts. Apparently we are both GenX, but I am only 5 years safe from being a boomer. GenX may not pick the fight, but I will absolutely finish one. So add me to your ignore list, and get on with your day.

Basically it means parties should choose the player for their skill/experience and not whether their playing the current S-Tier Class.