Just some bird shaped fire elemental? Or is there more to it than that?
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Essentially, yes. You can visit part of the Firelands in-game and see a whole ecosystem of fire creatures. Phoenixes, like most of the creatures you see there, are a sub-species of elemental.
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Arenât the Phoenix we see in the Firelands Green Dragons reforged by Ragnaros?
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My point is just that elementals donât have to look like blobs.
Ahh gotcha.
As of right now Thalassian Phoenixes are a Fire Elemental.
However, Rukhmarâs mount drop is also called a phoenix, and sheâs a Wild God embued with Light.
And Pandaren Phoenixes are just⌠flying peacocks.
I expect Thalassian Phoenixes to be retconâd to be some sort of Fire-Light being from the Lightlands soon.
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Well, we see Green Dragons reforged by Ragnaros - Which wasnât too far fetched because the Dragons themselves ascended from Proto-Drakes who were from elemental creatures of which most were somewhat impacted by the curse of flesh from the Old Gods.
Ruhkmar was a being of fire, light and nature - as a Wild Goddess of Draenor; her story from Chronicles was rather touching; and overall enjoyable. Given in Tempest Keep we see Alâar as a âPhoenix Godâ it may provide opportunity storywise for more to develop on.
That being stated - many beings, of various origins were evolved and ascended in various, curious and awe inspiring ways by the energies from the Well of Eternity; so they could play upon the factor that their species were somewhat born into Azeroth the same way, but who knows where Blizzard may decide to go with it.
Personally Iâd like to hope thereâs more to the Phoenixâs than just mere âElementalâ.
Think of it as convergent evolution- they all have different origins (Fire elemental, light, green dragon) but converged towards the same morphological form of a Phoenix.
Thatâs how I see most sentient life forms on Azeroth and other worlds anyway.
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I think Firehawks existed before that happened, and we only see it happen to one green dragon, who got turned into one as a reward for freeing Staghelm from his prison.
Proto-drakes predate the curse of flesh. We know this because Odyn made the halls of valor when the aspects became the aspects and Odyn became trapped in the halls when Loken was covering up his murder of Sif, which was when Yogg corrupted the forge of wills.
I love the mythology of the Phoenix. It is why it is the symbol of the Sinâdorei and why I chose a blood elf for my character. They rose once again from the ashes of the Quelâdorei after the injustices of Arthas.
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I was referring to the cannon-book Chronicles: Volume 1, upon page 40 â "When the keepers had sealed off the Elemental Plane, some stragglers had escaped banishment. The fury of these spirits had ebbed over time, and they had become creatures of flesh and blood. It was from these former elementals that some forms of wildlife, such as proto-drakes, came to be."
I used the curse of flesh as a mere example of they (other various elementals) could have come into being the way they are, as referenced in some various quests for other different types of species.
But yeah, the proto-drakes Iâm guessing became flesh & bone the same way some various Draenor elementals did - through powerful sparks of spirit-energy infused into them overtime, in unique ways. It could had also been various energies of the Well of Eternity - The books donât necessarily specify the details of the transformation.
They are like a Fire Elemental Bird from Firelands. Thatâs where Kael gets his Phoenix from.
I would avoid using that term outside of the actual curse of flesh. Since the actual curse of flesh is an important event in the lore.
Well yeah, thatâs precisely why I used it though.
The curse of flesh gave form to many species, and actually shaped many forms and sparked the flame to many cultures - It was a curse, but unintentionally formed by the Old Gods was a blessing too. (And before you argue against that â Chronicles literally states the same ordeal).
Except you said that the proto-drakes were affected by the curse of flesh that was created by the old gods
Which simply isnât true. As I have already explained (using actual lore). So you canât just change it and say âI didnât mean the old god version, I meant it in a general formâ when you got called out on it.
Own up to your mistakes instead of making excuses and moving the goal posts.
Also it is funny how you tried to act smart by saying âwell actually, according to this canon source, blah blah blahâ even though it failed. The elementals that became proto-drakes were not affected by the Curse of Flesh (the one created by Yogg-saron) period and no matter how many times you say they were or try and spin it your way, it wonât chance that fact.
I made an error in stating it was the curse of flesh from the Old Gods which wasnât the case, I acknowledge that - but they were still made flesh from elemental form. As stated -
And later corrected myself for the Proto-drakes having flesh / potentially how -
Thatâs from Chronicles Volume 2, which is as you say âActual Loreâ.
Itâs funny how you try to downgrade others and say âfunny how you tried to act smartâ and say it failed, when if you actually read it; which it appears you did not - youâd know it didnât really fail, and these âflawsâ you meagerly attempted to point out, were already addressed.
Then try reading perhaps instead of attempting to throw shade. Forums are built for discussion, ideas and problem solving 
Take a chill pill & see the depth. But yâknow - Reading more. Wonderful thing that. Works wonders. Shocking, I know âŚ
And yet when I said you shouldnât use that term in the future, you double downed on it saying âwell that is why I used it, because reasonsâ.
Well, itâs still valid to the argument of the phoenix subject and how their lore could evolve or get a more richer history. Thatâs essentially the subject of this thread âWhat are phoenixâsâ I wanted to build on that.
The argument you tried to establish was simply built on the curse of flesh, but the point I was making in the initial comment was that the Flame Hawks - Green Dragons reforged by Ragnaros, in some point of their evolution were elemental in form before they became flesh & bone. That aspect remains true, and the faults were already pointed out and addressed - but you seem to be hellbent on downgrading & derailing the subject despite that.
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