Okay Tiffany, go back to your room and think about what blasphemy you just said. lol
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I know this might be hard to fathom for you but Shadowlands can be seen in a vacuum where the most of it is not connected to the rest of the story. BFA was worse since the damage it did majorly affected the Horde and it shows. Blizzard straight up refuses to be horde centric again and make it about more humans instead. That is all their talentless butts can do.
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Except that’s not the case considering its lore is parasitic & derives its key elements from the majority of the Warcraft franchises major stories.
That’s literally a part of the problem.
And there are many more parts beyond that to make the whole problem …
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Last bit wasn’t directed at you, but I’m lazy at posting when I’m on a mobile.
I had a similar experience with Dragonflight. Ultimately I think Dragonflight was necessary to establish some breathing room between BFA/SL and the future of the franchise, but I bounced off of it pretty hard. It feels a little bit like not understanding the homework assignment, I suppose, and TWW has continued it to a lesser degree. I continue to characterize it as a deconstructionist approach. I’m still reasonably well convinced that, to some extent, things are being written to spite the old guard instead of being written to do justice to the IP and fanbase.
But every now and then a Kosh’harg or Undermine will pop out, so there has to be someone there that still gets it.
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It was a really fun raid. Denathrius AOTC was a challenge, I liked running through it.
Which is a real shame, both could be anti-heroes and morally grey in different aspects and they’d be great characters. Suck that both turned out the way they did due to this stupid male chicken measurement competition.
I played DF after I finished TWW main quest and… It felt… Okay? To me it wasnt THAT atrocious, but after BFA and SL I was so desensitised that it might have cushioned the blows.
Also helps that Alexstrasza makes me tingle the right way.
Shadowlands’s damage to the lore is pretty much Zovaal being behind the legion, which is easy to ignore if you just consider him to be delusional and not as in control as he thinks.
BFA character assassinated an entire faction and pretty much every major character involved in it.
Shadowlands stuff is pretty much swept under the rug at this point other than the innoffensive parts of it. We’re still suffering from BFA to this day considering we have to suffer through the Horde and the Alliance being super best friends due to the over correction from BFA. And the fact that leaders like Saurfang and Sylvanas are now gone.
Dragonflight went out of its way to not ruin any established characters or lore, so it has that over BFA and Shadowlands. But it was also very very bland. The Zaralek main quest was the only one that didn’t feel anemic, boring, and overly saccharine.
TWW has this problem to a degree with all the Earthen stuff, but the Arathi, Nerubian, and especially Goblin stuff feel more “classic Warcraft” in tone. Which is a good thing.
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Thats the undead guy, right? I remember enjoying his quest, yeah.
Nerubians were by far the coolest part of the main quest. Weaver is my beloved. Gobbo patch is also pretty good.
No. Zaralek was the underground patch zone.
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Oh then I dont think I played that one lol
It was pretty good. Should give it a try someday 
I might. Got keystone legend recently so now I don’t have to spend as much time running M+ 
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Him being behind the Legion, him being behind WCIII, him being behind BfA.
Like, just the fact that everything that did happen in BfA was all some part of his scheme.
And if you like night elves, you also now have to accept the fact your goddess decided it was totally fine for your people to die because her sister was thirsty, but your goddess is also such an airhead that it didn’t occur to her to see if her plan even worked.
Oh, and orcs and tauren? You ancestor worshippers? Your religion is the one that canonically is all made-up bullcrap. Silly tauren and orcs with their primitive, incorrect understanding of the afterlife.
And the cosmic stuff becomes harder to ignore when TWW goes and reminds you that it’s still canon.
BfA crapped on two factions. SL crapped on everything.
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I loved both of those as well, but even they had a bit of that Dragonflight softness to them. But yeah there’s no question there were some true hardcore fans behind them who wanted to build on what was already here rather than making more shiny toys they’ll get bored of by the end of the next expansion cycle.
For me what’s been really heartening are those big battle scenes we’ve been seeing like that fight against the nerubians in the ruins if Dalaran and that final battle at the end of the main questline (before Alleria hijacked it) which I feel like someone had to fight tooth and nail for given how the Horde and Alliance vanish after that.
Another thing I’ve really enjoyed is the new hourly Nightfall scenario. It really feels like it was crafted to feel like a large battle. And the way you regroup at the end to collectively let out a battle cry before the final push is pure Warcraft to me.
In any other fantasy setting this would have been the catalyst to create dark elves who are angry and disillusioned with their god(s).
Again, easy enough to ignore if you consider him to be deluded about his own influence, which I think he was.
Yeah, that revelation was very haggard but its also easy to ignore.
The broker who is the in-universe author of that book is meant to be entirely wrong about that and people in these forums lacked the media literacy to pick up on that. It’s not even a flaw of shadowlands, people here just need to learn how to read better.
Shadowlands as a place in the cosmology of WoW is fine and there’s nothign wrong with it. The first ones were a strange idea, executed poorly that messed with the foundations of lore. But they were also retconned in the latest chronicle to be more of a vague legend among Shadowland’s people than something meant to be literally true.
Warcraft IS the two factions. The Alliance and the Horde being made substantially worse has a far greater affect on moment to moment storytelling than anything from Shadowlands.
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I dunno about that. The cool dynamic between the dragons and the titans got sharted on pretty hard for a forced BoTh sIdEs-ing of a conflict that didn’t need it.
The titans are extreme and interventionist sure, but they weren’t deceitful or malicious until DF forced that identity on them.
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The titans aren’t deceiftul or malicious in Dragonflight. The watchers left in their stead are. And that’s been a thing among the watchers since arguably Loken but inarguably since Chronicle 1.
Them doing sketchy, borderline evil stuff in the titan’s name is kind of their thing. Now, Tyr being the one behind that is new, but also feels like a dropped plot point as well.
Should have been at least some confrontation with him over his experimentation and lacing the water with order juice but again, Dragonflight is anemic and overly saccharine so we can’t have that.
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… wut?
No, not really. It’s literally where Amirdrassil’s seed comes from. Elune is foundational to the night elves.
Like, I get you can choose to ignore or head-canon away things, but you can just as easily head-canon the entirety of BfA and Shadowlands as some fever dream caused by N’zoth’s death rattle at the hands of Med’an.
But you can’t really make a satisfactory case where the burning of Teldrassil and the growth of Amirdrassil are both canon, but the bridge between those events doesn’t count.
I’m not talking about the book. I’m talking about how we know souls don’t just get to visit the mortal realm whenever someone calls them. We know the afterlife does not allow for this.
I’m just gonna have to agree to disagree on this.
Warcraft was the two factions. As the game expanded, it also became about much more.
The player character is rarely treated as a member of the Horde or the Alliance; we’re a Champion of Azeroth, a member of the Ashen Verdict, a Walker for MawMaw, a dragon pal, a mercenary. Even BfA, in the end, resorted to this staus quo that has existed in all but one expansion.
Now Warcraft might have the two factions as its bones, but it just as much is all the many neutral parties involved and the cosmic entities we work with and/or kill, and have killed since Vanilla.
Warcraft has been about the story of Azeroth since WCIII.
I’m not saying BfA was good, or tolerable, or anything other than an abomination. But pretending it is a cut-and-dry choice as the worst compared to Shadowlands is certainly not the case. Each person is going to decide which is worse in their opinion, and only a crazy person like Erevein would say either one is “good actually”.
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Very true. Nazgrim in particular. They definitely need to relearn how to write things with an edge to them if they want to stand any chance of doing the IP justice.
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The Brokers are more reliable then Titans.
This one cracks me up because IT STILL HAPPENS!
And Maldraxxi Draka is one of the visitors!
AAAAAAAAAAH!
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