Even though they rent supposed to be, the chat warnings can take some time to show up.
So there’s a decent chance it wasn’t you whispering that guy that triggered it, it was something from up to 2 weeks ago.
Having a timer does not make something “esports”. Time attack modes have been in video games since before esports even existed.
Then play delves and leave M+ alone.
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Moving goalposts now? Who would’ve guessed that the player that don’t know what they’re talking about would do such a thing.
No, I’m saying someone who ignores the timer isn’t doing m+, because they’re doing a hard-mode dungeon (most likely for gear/crests). For it to be an actual m+ there’s got to be a focus on both the mob count and the timer.
In m+ it does, as slow means you won’t be good enough to do the content.
M0 is more inclusive for those whose ability is limited for whatever reason. Good for you that your disability doesn’t limit your wow capabilities, but yes if you for whatever reason can’t do m+ keys within the timer then that makes you “not good enough” or “too bad” for the content you’re doing, regardless if thats a +2 or +20.
If you don’t enjoy m+ you can:
- Raid.
- Delve.
- Do regular/hc/tw dungeons.
- Quest.
- Farm pets.
- Farm mounts.
- Farm gold.
- Farm achievments.
If you just want gear, do delves and craft it. Othervise get good enough to obtain the gear that matches the difficulty.
Yes, some people only so m+ for gear. Those usually stop at +10, maybe 3000 rating this season since they nerfed m+ so much.
I don’t want to punish anyone for leaving a bad group (that’s why I think the new leaver mark is bad), but I also don’t want to create systems that are designed to be abused. Just because I don’t want things to change for the worse (which happens with your suggestions), that doesn’t mean I want to punish players leaving toxic groups.
Why do you want to destroy wows most popular game mode to ever exist?
No they admitted they had to manually ban people who left a lot of keys in S1, turned out is was just high key trolls doing troll things to stop people getting the 0.1% title.
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I already know nobody is going to believe me, but I have only ever left three keys since the introduction of M+ back in Legion when I was farming them out to get my Rogues Thunderfury appearance lol.
And I have 13 characters, one of each class and most of them are sitting at about 630-650 ilvl right now, and I still haven’t left a key.
Maybe you guys need to learn how to keep trying.
Then everybody else leaves and you never get a penalty. Outlast the weaklings to filter out the rest. Effort is a thing. You, people in general no op, signed up for the hardest difficulty of content that WoW has for PvE. If you don’t do the bare minimum and tough it out, how do you ever expect anybody to get anything done?
I’ve gotten leaver for disconnecting. I have left maybe 5 battlegrounds because I am not trying to load into a “2 flags down, third flag 10 feet from enemy base and we already lost before I could even move” match and sticking it out. I leave regular dungeons every once in a blue moon, usually because it’s like 2 am and I am falling asleep while healing lol.
But LFR? Naw, every week at least one of my characters has to re-queue for the same wing of lfr like 4 times because it keeps spawning me in on the last boss, then the second to last boss, then the second boss, then the first boss…all because of a series of leavers.
That being said,
I have been trying to say that for years, but every time I do I get called a toxic elitest jerk for expecting the bare minimum of people who chose to deepdive difficult content.
There is no way of phrasing it to where the more sensitive types won’t get offended by it. Apparently expecting people to learn their class a little bit and maybe watch a 30 second guide on the dungeon? Or even better, do what I do: Do the dungeon on normal, then progress into heroic, then progress into M0, and then naturally into M+.
oh, wait, that requires too much thought for those kinds of people…
yeah, and so was firing all of their customer support staff, but blizzard did that and now we have to moderate our own community.
No joke, I’m not surprised blizzard is doing this. Here soon the forums are going to be run entirely by MVPs and other such “community leaders” and an Ai who scans your reports for authenticity…
Why do i think that? Because Riot Games did the same thing. They used to have a council of people that would make banning decisions, then they did standard customer service because the community was too toxic to allow regular people to have to moderate it and come into contact with the typical crazies in league… too much legal liability for damages.
But eventually, even that wasn’t enough, so Riot Games basically deleted their forums and told everybody to go kick rocks over on Reddit so they could make it Reddits problem since they already knew reddit was toxic anyway lol. The league community is a drop in the bucket there.
What I am trying to say, is that Riot realised their fanbase was too toxic for them to deal with in a way that didn’t lose them money.
I find the same feeling and vibes here with what is happening. Blizzard fired most of their customer support staff, automated it and we barely ever see any community reactions. no blizzcon here in america, but a stage over at gamescom away from the psycho american fans who threaten the blizzard staff daily over things like maintenance taking an extra hour…
So it just reeks of Blizzard finally washing it’s hands of the community and trying to distance itself as much as possible to focus on profits and minimizing expenses with frivolous things like customer service.
Before you say I am wrong, remember we are the community who was so toxic, we sold a shirt about it…
Do you leave several keys a day? If so, you are an outlier. If you only occasionally leave keys before the rest of group is ready to give up, you are more in line with normal players and remain unaffected.
Source? Blue post didn’t mention anything about them only banning title range players at all.
The players that keep the mark long enough and get it long enough will get banned. This is what Riot does and they seem to be copying the vote to surrender so why not just take the whole package? It won’t effect you unless you are a chronic key leaver.
Would they ever admit that? They came out to admit they were banning people leaving excessive keys, not a single person in the lower key range like what we do was ever banned, at least none admitted to it, but many people came out to talk about high key leavers happening in excess of what they would normally do.
And not just “Oh this key is dead, I’m out”, but stories of people showing up to keys, within seconds of the key starting they were out the door, constantly, all at or around the key levels needing to be done for the title.
that is not a credible source…
It never is a credible source for you people.
Since when has “trust me bro” ever been?
When you get enough people all giving the same story, yeh, it becomes believable.
Again not a credible source.
I’m Not in any way against key leaving. But I do think people should set expectations before the key goes in. People could easily make a chat macro that says :
I’m here to time this key. I don’t provide carry services. I will leave early if any dps is too low, if people do not use interrupts, dispels are not timely, or there are sub optimal pulls or routing.
But they won’t. They say all of that is common knowledge but are reluctant to say itto the group they are choosing to play with. Why do we think that is?
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It never is for you guys. I’ll give you a prime example of when something is never enough, but was correct in every way.
About 12 months or more ago Blizzard “changed” the drop rates on items from the holiday queues, mounts, mogs, whatever drops, they made an official post about it and all telling us everything from holiday queues were all one chance a day per account and people believed it.
I told everyone they were wrong, I was ridiculed, I had proof, I had screenshots showing a second+ kill of the day and having received mounts, mogs, manuscripts and pets, but people didn’t believe me.
We had entire discord servers up in arms, some people had it happen to them also, no one believed us. We had the Chinese players and their own mount channels reporting the same. Comments on Wowhead, posts here, Twitter, Reddit, more and more posts showing up, but for people like you it was never enough.
People like you would cite the Blizzard post about how it was first kill of the day only and how we must be mistaken and how we were all wrong, all the evidence was in fact not evidence and we were just wrong because why would Blizzard lie right?
People made tickets, GMs confirmed the one a day chance, some blue posts started showing up to quell the masses telling us it was one chance a day, so of course we were wrong, right?
Wrong, turns out Blizzard was talking smack and they were wrong, they planned to have one chance a day and made a mistake, even some of the newer mounts were not changed when they said they would, it turns out the first mount that had this change happen was the witchs broom, everything prior to that was possible on a second+ chance per day.
And now with Midsummer up, turns out it’s still the same, only the new items are one chance per day, but since it’s not a mount no one cares.
Point is though, we had a blue post and many blue responses stating it was one a day, yet they were all wrong, much like you.
What are you even babbling about? It is one chance a day per account for the holiday stuff.
I ran 12 characters through the summer event last week in one day and only 1 of those got any of the unique rewards.
Disgest and Favoring ?? some how the rest of the post taste like salt. 
The OP is extremely salty. Why else would they post a novel trying to tell me I am wrong with something completely unrelated…
Because you refuse to listen.
Did you even read what I wrote? Sorry I asked but it’s obvious you didn’t, it just proved my point.
What I said was:
I then went on to say:
To which you replied:
Which I actually already told you was happening.
But you also wrote:
Yet, as I also pointed out, here is a blue post, an official post, since you hate listening to other players and being wrong, maybe you will listen to the official source, older items can still be achieved from the second+ attempt per day, only newer items are once per day per account:
Which back to my point, a “Trust me bro” is a viable source when you get literal thousands of players all stating the exact same thing, whether you want to believe it or not, it can still be true.
and what is exactly wrong with the blue post?