My roleplay character is a 2nd war vet
Yet you justify fighting alongside the beasts who tried to destroy Lordaeron?
It makes far more sense for the Forsaken to be young/middle-aged people, who were either very young or even not born yet when the Second War took place (there’s a significant time-gap of 14 years between the end of the Second War and the beginning of the Third War).
As Lord Admiral Proudmoore put it, Jaina and her generation have not known the horrors of the Second War, and that makes them more sympathetic to the orcs.
It makes far more sense for the Forsaken to be young/middle-aged who never went through the horrors of the Second War rather than old veterans whose lives, families, homes were literally destroyed by the orcs.
But if that stance is acceptable because “people change”, then, well, I hope you keep that same energy when the humans return to Silvermoon in Midnight.
Well, how would you give them lore that doesn’t step on the Forsaken’s toes?
Yep. Her only in-game appearance before her BFA trainwreck reimagining had her entirely blowing off the idea of doing anything for the Forsaken or Loraedon.
Well, same way Druids/Night Elves and Shamans/Orcs are handled: I’d just include the forsaken in the same story beats re: arthas, shadowlands, etc.
I’d also make the most important DK npcs Forsaken instead of human.
They can have one forsaken npc that has a human model because human models have the best armor. nathaniel, etc are proof to that.
it’s amazingly ridiculous that NIGHT ELVES got a named Death Knight before the Forsaken did.
Edit: Cataclysm states that Sylvanas has her own contingent of Death Knights. I’d make High Executor Anselm the leader of that contingent. and I’d give them a minimum of three other named death knights that serve with him.
I’d also have made him one of the four horsemen.
Arthas who became King by Patricide.
Orcs beat both of them. the first generation Death Knights were Warlocks inhabiting the bodies of Stormwind Knights slain in the First War… one was a Burning Crusade boss.
Not the same class.
Classes are just gaming conventions. At most they are abstractions of lore.
I feel like they could fix some of this by leaning into the fact that Darion has a lot more in common with the average Forsaken than he does the average living Alliance soldier. I wouldn’t want to see him actually join the Forsaken, as he’s got a lot of value as one of the few truly faction-neutral characters we still have, but it’d be nice to at least acknowledge that the Forsaken are his former neighbors and countrymen. He’s from Brill originally, was too young to ever fight for the Alliance while Lordaeron still stood, didn’t agree with the racism the proto-Scarlets had towards non-humans, and as a member of the Argent Dawn, was perfectly willing to work with members of Horde races, including orcs, trolls, and Forsaken. He also has a lot in common with Lilian Voss; both grew up in post-Scourge Lordaeron and became child soldiers among the surviving priests and paladins, with extremely zealous men for fathers, and both have killed some of their former colleagues amongst the Scarlet Crusade. They both are compassionate and motivated to help their fellows adjust to undeath. They’re close in age, and it’s entirely plausible that they may have met back when they were both still alive. In terms of character models, Darion has died twice now, and there’s an argument to be made that he should at least be heavily scarred if we ever see his face again, even if he still uses the human model rather than the Forsaken one.
With Sylvanas (and her treatment of Koltira) out of the picture, the Ebon Blade could be on much better terms with the Forsaken now, and that would be more justification to have both present in story when it makes sense.
There is no justification to it, if anything it adds more resentment and hatred to the alliance to left them no choice but to ally with the beasts who broke the alliance back in the 2nd war - This is the backstory for all the forsaken including Sylvanas and gets touched in her novel.
He does not love the horde, but sees it as a necessity.