We're having the wrong conversations about Legion Remix

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There are endless posts talking about all of the little things we want to be different. There aren’t enough secondary stats. We don’t want the gating. We want different rewards. But we’re missing the big picture. Too focused on the trees to see the forest. Everything going wrong with this remix comes down to a fundamental mentality that we as a community need to be pushing back against.

You see, Blizzard is approaching this entire thing from the wrong perspective. They’re not trying to give us a sandbox to go wild in, like they did with the last remix. They want to give us a mode where they carefully control what we do, when we do it, and how it’s done.

They fully intend to fulfill the promise they made of letting us get absurdly strong and wreck the content, and that will definitely happen by the end of the event. It’s how we get there that matters and determines whether this mode lives or dies… and takes the entire future of the remix concept with it.

Make no mistake, if this remix crashes and burns, the executives will not greenlight another one. The reasons won’t matter, and it won’t matter if they learn their lesson. From a corporate standpoint, it would be an investment in something that has already failed.

Legion Remix will see its player numbers crash in short order if they continue with this plan. Players will see that it is not delivering on its promises and will either give up on it or wait two months until it becomes what we were after. Their precious engagement metrics will tell them remixes are passe, and that’ll be it.

What we need to do is tell Blizzard in a loud, clear voice that their vision for Legion Remix—a carefully curated experience where all players progress at the same rate and end up at the same place—is the opposite of what we want it to be, and we need to convince them to change the fundamental ideas they’re working from.

Otherwise they’ll sit comfortably in their offices, ignore our criticisms, and think to themselves, “They’ll understand what we’re doing soon enough, and they’ll thank us for it.” And they’ll be wrong.

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Do they though? They’ve done nothing to show that.

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That’s true, but all we’ve been shown is the first phase they have planned. At that point, assuming I’ve read their intentions correctly, they will just be starting the process of drip feeding us what they promised.

I believe the plan is to have a week of relative balance with the first phase, then buff the power gains a little each week, having player power be roughly aligned with the tuning of each new raid tier as it releases. The content would then fall behind the scaling curve as the weeks pass.

It wouldn’t surprise me at all if they try to make a spectacle out of it with a mini-RWF for each raid the week they release.

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Good luck doing it here. You should convince some content creators to speak about this on their streams.

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I agree that they are likely to open things up and let us go crazy eventually, but they are addicted to gatekeeping. It’s an obsession. I’m confident someone’s bonus depends on gatekeeping.

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Agree.

So devs, please. Listen to this.
No, you don’t know better.
No, your vision doesn’t matter if the player enjoyment suffer.
No, this isn’t one of those dev moments where you have to stand against a decision because the players genuinely don’t know better about the bigger picture of things.

No, this is not meant as an insult, it’s meant as a plea.

You had a blueprint people were happy with in MoP Remix.
That’s the path to iterate on. Not Classic WoW. Not Classic+ WoW. Not SoD. Not Retail.
Mist of Pandaria Remix.

and yes, there are still ways you could make it phased and still allow us to be a lot stronger than your current vision allows us to be. If you are hellbent on going down that path.

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we are seeing the results of them catering to the few, very loud, players that complained about missing out on some threads because they couldn’t keep up with the DHs doing full raid and dungeon runs. I ran through with at least one druid and had trouble keeping up. Tehre was not a single complaint from me. Granted, I came into The previous remix with a month left, so I didn;t get that astronomically high thread count many had. Still had a blast, got a ton of mogs and some mounts I wanted. 10/10 would play MOP remix again.\

Legion Remix is sounding like something I should just wait tyo months before trying it out.

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Untrue.

The highest forms of power will be coming from gear gained from M+ and Heroic and Mythic Raid.

Don’t know how you could think phases are going to impact anything. People that don’t do the above mentioned content are power locked at the open world and normal dungeon content they desire to do. Nothing is going to get them more powerful, they will cap out quickly and be stuck. And the Retail response is “get gud” and do Mythic content if you want power.

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They’ve increased the drop rates for Corrupted Thorns (the items that transform into raid gear in p1) from open world activities like world quests, infinite research and killing empowered enemies in HWT. Not to mention every gear scales with your ilvl (besides M+ which is locked by key level and I don’t see the majority of the community completing M+ dungeons high enough to get to the gear cap day 1).

It is very possible (albeit it is slower and I agree it needs bumping, but not outright impossible as you describe) to reach the same power level as people who do M+ and raids.

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Lemix was the only reason I planned to continue my sub for that time period before the next Xpac. I need a break from live, and MoP Classic has become just raid logging, so Lemix was my only plan. I’ve spent over a dozen hours in the PTR, and I can say that unless they change it drastically to make it more like MoP Remix, then I’ll just take a break for a few months, and play something else. I still can’t believe they took a very successful Remix formula, and threw it out the window for Lemix - simply awful.

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Same for me, currently I don’t see anything interesting in Legion Remix. We will continue to get the Karesh HC raid AOTC in our guild, and then I take a break until Midnight goes live.

The housing stuff is neat, but not as good alone to continue subscribing before the next expac.

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They will gatekeep Legion remix to keep players “even” but are okay with early access $$$ so other players can get ahead.

They need to re-evaluate their integrity.

They are the one that are creating a toxic situation and refuse to understand why. Gatekeeping to this extreme will cause players to gatekeep themselves for progression.

By the time they “open” it up it will be too late and the damage will be done.

BlizZard is afraid of easy wins and they fight hard to oppose what should be a slam dunk fun event.

:surfing_woman: :surfing_man:

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THIS! I had the same thoughts. I ALMOST bought a 6month sub because I assumed Lemix would be like MoP remix which I really enjoyed and planned on leveling new toons for most classes because of how fun it was. To see the changes really turned me off and I’m happy I didn’t get the 6 month sub now. I had even opened my wife’s account so we could play together, but now that is a bust, because I don’t believe anything is going to change.

Back to starcraft 2 until BF6 then Wow Xpac.

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