Ok, so DT is gone. Fine… but we lost lock and load serpentstalker and added two MORE buttons Salvo (which I am happy with) but added Serpent Sting. So not only added two MORE buttons to the bloat; but, the GCD and having to manage this dot… I just have no words.
Again, DT being gone hurts Rapid Fire AOE but adds insult to injury losing lock and load as well. All of these QQ about the outrage losing DT is shortsided. That may be an affect in PVP, but PVE, losing our AOE is way too much. MM is already considered C tier in M+ and if we were at the floor as far as damage/util/survivability, it’s going to crush our DPS potential.
How did this hit this patch w/o somebody really having a look at vital parts of the tree? There is NOBODY advocating for hunters on that team and I’m sure of it. There is NOWAY people who played this and thought of adding more buttons, crushing our aoe and giving a “10% reduction” which is the equiv of 2 seconds off cd’s… Just garbage.
Too far and short-sided.
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We did not lose those talents. We just now have to take Steady Focus and give up another talent. That does suck, but we don’t go without Lock and Load and Serpentstalkers.
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Bepp, we’ve spoken a lot over the years, I value your opinion. I’d love to see your tree. I’m not sure where or how I find 3 points in this tree… Maybe 2, but the third, not sure. Link your M+/Raid 5+ mob spec
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Lose Trick shots? Nah… just nah
- and salvo? Man, that’s literally all of the burst gone for MM
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There’s a single target build and an AoE build on that page…
TBH I’m sceptical of some of the decisions in both of them, but the people writing that guide know a lot more than me.
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I’m in raid right now… I just can’t see it working, I take it back finding 3 points, but I’m not sold. I’ll check it and kick it back to you. I’d be interested what you find out. I just picked you doing more PVP then raiding/m+ from your other posts
So 4 points from somewhere and you lose Eagletalon and Unerring/calling the shots…
Again, not a trade off
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Don’t get me wrong: It’s a crap change. But you still absolutely take Lock and Load and Serpentstalker’s Trickery.
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Tac reload and steady focus 100% have to switch places in the tree.
BEtter yet. undo this change completely and give us DT back.
no one asked for this and pvp can rot in hell.
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Lock and Load and Serpentstalker are 100% still taken. Both in the Steady Focus path AND the one that doesn’t take SF for a 1-2% damage loss.
I despise these changes but what you’re complaining about isn’t even a real thing. I don’t know where you got this idea lmfao
I guess you need to explain what you’re lost about? You can grab steady focus and Lock and Load. Serpentstalker needs to be baked in, it’s not worth the point.
There is no way to keep those and flip in and out light/heavy ammo. Crit damage is gone just by sacrificing for those points that you didn’t have in steady focus before. The other choice is to lose Eagletalon and Unerring/Calling the SHots.
By not taking Serpentstalker, you have 2 new buttons. Salvo and SS.
This is a horrible mistake and I have yet to start to sim the numbers but I guess it’s going to be a loss.
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None of the builds leave out Serpentstalker. You’re complaining about a non-issue.
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I’ve seen those builds or do you need to discount the other sacrifices to fit your narrative?
There is no flexibility to go Heavy/Light Ammo and losing 4% Crit Damage is horrible. Forcing 2 points for 8% haste for 8 sec just to get to lock and load is a net loss at best.
Also, other spec shows dropping Salvo, which for AOE damage is a mistake. It’s literally the only thing keeping up with S tier melee due to the burst potential. Spec is flat and literally no flavor to change for M+ keys IMO.
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Lawl… so you wanna lose 5% aimed and rapid in mastermarksman, and not use the single tagret trushot synergies ROFL… you didnt fit anything with that build… this is a huge nerf
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Do you think I wrote that page?
Take it up with Trueshot Lodge
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PLEASE god REVERT the changes.
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You are suggesting we didnt lose anything… but to keep what he said we lost… you point to another page that says just lose 3 other super important dps talents
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Honestly, I can handle DT being gone and Salvo being an off GCD button. Hell, I macroed it into volley and there’s functionally no difference.
I hate HATE that the optimal path now is through Steady Focus. I absolutely despise that talent. Having to shoehorn two steady shots in a row somewhere just makes the rotation so clunky.
And honestly, I can’t imagine a reason for this change OTHER than to be punitive towards MM Hunters taking Serpentstalkers/LnL. Which would make sense if MM Hunters were absolutely breaking meters. But they weren’t.
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