As I recall, we’re given no knowledge or information regarding the Horde’s own espionage, only the Alliance’s – Mathias Shaw was sent out by the Alliance and he determined that a frontal assault was simply not possible and was doomed to failure; the Alliance and Horde fleets had to be warned to turn back. Detheroc’s forces, however, killed all his scouts and impersonated Shaw to tell Varian that they had a chance.
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I played it on both sides.
Horde side Nathanos is still walking around and the Forsaken are still marshaled.
Alliance side Genn is half naked knocked tf and the Skyfire is still decidedly crashed.
Like with Hillsbrad and Andorhal huff as much copium as you want but the Forsaken are consistently depicted as something you don’t want to tangle with.
Which makes Genn’s recent decision to bury the hatchet the literal smartest thing he’s done in his entire leadership history. Maybe not continue warfare with the undead who’ve constantly kicked the Alliance’s asses.
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Horde side their entire fleet got destroyed. One airship versus an entire fleet? Like in terms of death I would say more Forsaken died then Alliance.
Yes Forsaken(like the Legion and any bad guy faction) gets early wins but always loses the war. I mean the Forsaken are the only playable race to have lost their capital, TWICE.
Last I checked the Forsaken lost their capital in a desperate bid to kill off the Alliance leadership and yet wasnt able to kill a single one of said leadership.
Genn was what? Pushing 80 and yet Nathanos still couldnt kill him.
Make no mistake. The Alliance has an armicstice is not because it couldn’t wipe the floor with the Horde. It has always been because it would be too costly.
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The Forsaken got their capitol back, girl, and the alleged reckoning that was Calia did nothing but help reclaim Lordaeron and then bless their efforts to massacare the Scarlet Crusade. In true gruesome fashion. Belmont even mentions how there’s no sweeter taste if you /cannibalize the corpses during the heritage questline.
The fearsome hounds of Prince Anduin have buried the hatchet with them in the meanwhile and handed over leadership to an outright coworker of Belmont and Voss.
You’ve loss. The Forsaken won. We keep all of our style, all of our land and get away scott free with the wrongdoing.
You can have your precious Southshore back as the museum piece it’ll be. When WPvP actually mattered it was the Horde that left it in ruin.
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You dont even have it back in the same way the Gnomes only have reclaimed the surface.
I mean Sylvanas is gone and doing community service for who knows how long. The very symbol of the Forsaken is now a reminder she considered the Forsaken expendable. And I would also point out the Alliance has effectively retaken all its old Holdings again. With Gilneas and Southshore firmly Alliance again so all that effort from the Forsaken were wasted.
And yet its back in Alliance hand. Again, all the effort of the Horde was wasted and the Alliance is actually better off now then it was at the start of Vanilla. Having reclaimed many of its old Holdings.
Also should the Forsaken even try anything it would again be insta gib again with literally 5 Alliance capitals sorounding it.
Copium on max I see.
Gilneas was returned to Alliance control with the official support of a Forsaken artillery division and 2/5 Desolate Council members. So. More support than the Alliance gave.
Southshore will probably be given over to the Gilneans as a sign of good faith as well.
And then hopefully the spooky races can live in peace together in the extremely short time it’ll take Stromgarde to either defect or be conquered by the Arathi Empire.
Get a grip. Keep your nose in SW where it belongs.
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The only reason Capital City could even be retaken was because both Alliance signed an armiscite, if it continued to fight I doubt the Forsaken would have been able to retake Lordaeron.
Southshore was retaken as of the end of the Fourth War.
I really doubt Danath will simply give up his kingdom to what is effectively outsiders.
Considering Turaylon is still planning on taking other old Holdings, no, we won’t. With any luck maybe it will be Turaylon who will finally retake Stratholme. Hell, maybe turn it into the Alliance capital for Midnight.
Write as much fan fiction as you want. The Forsaken have thus far lost nothing. Hell even the Banshee Queen fans got her back for a little cameo in the heritage quest and let’s face it, it’s wayyyyyy more likely she’ll be a protagonist in Midnight than Turaylon. Who just seems to be a blank suit of armor stuck in a millenia long sexless marriage but I suppose Stormwind does deserve something that bland.
As for Danath? He’s racist. That’s a naughty character trait. Only the Horde can have those. We cant have anything that spicey in the Alliance vanillia wafer so yes he’s probably joining or dying to the Arathi Empire who will certainly not be nice guys.
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You sure about that?
Also saying you have lost nothing is weird to say when by this metric neither has the Alliance, it has retaken all its old holdings(with Tyrande even implying Teldrassill will someday be taken back) and expanded by taking back Stromgarde.
Now who is writing fan fic? I doubt Sylvanas will ever be torched by the devs or even if she were it would be cameo apperances only. Hell, I still say just give her the Malygos treatment and have her find Nathanos soul. leave forever and have her story be done.
Dannath’s loyalties are to the Alliance. Not to the Arathi. As for being racist, he is no more racist now then Geya’rah or Turaylon throwing out insults at one another.
Heck, as I recall they even kind of change his taunts in the Warfrond and softened it up.
The Argent Crusade already retook the city, and they have no reason to give it to the Alliance.
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Sylvanas was a narrative burden. Her exit was embarrassing for not just the Forsaken but the entire franchise but yeah I’m happy the focus can be on a manic apothecary, a hardened commander, a reluctant spymaster and uh. Well Calia and Velonara are very much also there aren’t they.
And Danath’s surname is Trollbane. Trollbane. And sure his allegiance might be to SW but my point is the Arathi will probably retake Stromgarde.
And hopefully that leads to an epic battle where the Forsaken and Worgen need to massacare their forces at Thoradin’s Wall. Because seriously I happened to play the Gilnean Reclamation quest alongside a Worgen Fury Warrior on S Priest and my reaction to that was;
That needs to be a more broad experience.
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Exploring Azeroth paints it as still a free for all zone between undead, some living. There is no mention at all that the Crusade retook it.
I genuinely love the Argents.
Like the Forsaken have been living next to human led towns in complete peace for years. They even send you over there to aid them during a lul in the Battle For Andorhal where you help a lumbermill owner and his wife.
Like huh if you respect the Forsaken as people and don’t regard their territory as places to reconquer they’re actually basically friendly neighbors who mind their own buisness and will even help you out.
I just picture a battle between a SW paladin and Forsaken warrior where they’re blade to blade, on the ground. The paladin’s mid speech about how this walking disease can never be allowed.
Then an Argent Paladin walks by and the undead’s all
“Hey Bob. Busy at the moment but thanks for lending me your mower. Hope your new puppy is settling in well”
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We kind of did avenge Vol’jin; remember, he fell in part because he was being subtly weakened and his senses were being clouded by Mueh’zala in order to arrange his death and make way for Sylvanas’ appointment.
We subsequently beat Mueh’zala up in Shadowlands and now he’s stuck as Bwonsamdi’s prisoner, so the one who arranged Vol’jin’s death has arguably been punished for it. And if he ever escapes, the players smacking him down to kill or re-imprison him will amount to further compound vengeance. Especially if Vol’jin’s back in some capacity by then and helps us do it.
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Tbh, Shadows of the Horde is one of the best WoW novels they’ve ever done and my investment in Vol’jin as a character comes almost entirely from it.
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It was but guess the writers want horde characters dead and run away.
Cmon blizzard atleast give us a heroic death Damit, you already killed most of our characters.
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voljin was a terrorist
a review of voljins “career”
- cant beat other jungle trolls, has to escape to an island
- cant beat a sea witch, gets bailed out by the horde, escaped to another island
- island gets taken over by a random warlock, escaped to orgrimmar
- finally gets his island back with horde help
- talks crap to garrosh then escaped back to his island
- talks crap when the zandalari try to rally all the troll tribes
- raids other trolls in quelthalas and zulgurub, also got the alliance to help
- garrosh attempts to put an end to him, runs off to shadow pan
- starts a rebellion against the whole horde once he recovers, terrorises supply caravans
- also enlists the alliance for help again
- failed at the gate, needed players to bail him out against the scorpion
- after the entire rest of the world takes down garrosh for him he becomes warchief
- does nothing
- dies naming sylvanas because he got duped by a troll god
- runs around the spirit realm or shadowlands doing god knows what while sylvanas goes full lich queen
- still there I guess
/spit
may he rot in the shadowlands, preferably trying to navigate oribos or crafting the legendaries
So… Garrosh tried to have him killed and Vol’jin… Responded in-kind? You also forget that the entire Horde attacked Orgrimmar, not just Vol’jin. Almost like Garrosh brought it on himself by being Orc Hitler or something.
Revolting against garrosh was like the single most based thing vol’jin did
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alliance bias is real still. Varian got a statue, cool death and extra music while Vol’jin got nothing.