Again, I only posted the quote from the Arthas novel in response to someone else saying that they couldn’t find any lore about paladins being filled with the Light aside from the Lightforged. A particular pet peeve of mine is the assumption that human paladins are just priests in plate armor (no, Anduin is not a paladin just because he wears royal ceremonial armor and carries his warrior father’s sword!), so the Silver Hand induction ceremony is particularly relevant to that topic. I have admittedly been having this same argument across multiple threads lately, so I apologize for being prickly about this.
We are in agreement, then.
I am generally in favor of class skins as an idea, as I think they could go a long way towards allowing roleplay of classes that don’t quite exist currently (Sin’dorei spellbreakers being my personal favorite) without requiring all the additional balancing work that new classes require. Personally, I think a Shadow/Void reskin of death knights could also work as a sort of Void Knight, though there is the issue that doing so wouldn’t allow for a healing spec or the use of shields.
The shield around Suramar blocked the natural light of the sun, moons, and stars from reaching those inside it, so they probably don’t have a strong worship of Elune like modern Kaldorei do. That said, they still use moon-themed iconography in their architecture and decor as well as having some amount of respect for those who do follow Elune, and the Tomb of Sargeras used to be the main Temple of Elune, so it’s plausible that they might see a resurgence in worship of Elune now that the shield is down. They do have priests as a playable class, after all.
He could have left but without knowing the origin of the character you can’t really tell. That being said, yeah, I guess high elves could be paladins since blood elves have learned to use the light without stealing it.
If anything I want voidadins. Rather than healing 2hp/level, we cause 2hp/lvl damage. Rather than cure light wounds, we cause light wounds. Look, the mechanics aren’t important. What is important are the voidy plate transmogs.
That’s why you make the lore fit. It’s ever changing as it is, and it’s pretty easy to explain just about anything. I like the lore, but I’m all about letting it expand and change to better allow players what they’d like. I mean, Blizzard changes it for things players don’t like, so why not the opposite?
I’d like the use of shields, but that’s mostly a visual thing anyway.
I don’t see a reason not to have a healing spec, shadowmend is already a shadow based healing spell. You could just base a visual retheme of blood spec around the consuming nature of the void. It consumes to strengthen the void. Also fitting to one of the first comments after transformation that Umbric makes about the unending hunger.
Could just add something similar to how frost has the two hander or dual wield option.
Go two handed or a one hand/shield. Little tweaks for flavor.
Lore changes, but for the sake of progressing the story, not to satisfy everyone’s whims every time they want something. You diminish its importance, and relevance if we begin to act like it means nothing. Especially something as important as the fundamentals of the Void, and light. And why? Because you guys want a pretty elf paladin?
Give us a break. Get Night elf paladins and be happy but stop acting like you’re “owed” Void elf paladin, and that the lore should change to accommodate your superficial agenda.
But you’re not High elves, you’re Void elves. Even if you were, at one point a high elf you are now a Void elf. The whole precedent for becoming a Void elf was based on a lack of faith in the light, and it’s ability.
What a dishonest argument when you already know that’s not what people are asking for. If it were, 99% of the thread wouldn’t be comprised of people trying to justify allowing the void elves to wield holy light. Or just blatantly asking for the lore to be changed to accommodate the request.
Let’s not pretend the agenda of this request isn’t staggeringly transparent.
No, the whole precedent was about finding new powers with which to protect that which you love. Whether you were Alleria thinking about Turalyon and Arator, or Umbric thinking about Quel’Thalas, there was never a loss of faith or hatred of the Light involved.
Seems to me people are asking for Paladins. Whether that’s for their High Elves (lore appropriate and hey, we’re playing High Elves if we want to according to the Devs), or for Void Elves (hey, here’s something like the Light even if it isn’t exactly the Light, like Zandalari Prelates or Tauren Sunwalkers), the lore already gives support for it.
If you don’t like that, then that’s perfectly fine. There’s plenty of lore I don’t like. Doesn’t mean I get to ignore it, no matter how many headaches it’d spare me.
Yes, you can be a High elf who turned into a Void elf, but you’re still a void elf. Just like Alleria is still a high elf, but also a Void elf.
These options aren’t saying you are no longer a Void elf, smart one.
Yes, because they felt the light was not powerful enough to protect them, and then began delving into the Void instead, despite Rommath warning them that their research put the Sunwell in jeopardy. Were they paladins, or other light-wielders they would never lose faith in the power of the light, or resort to consorting with the Void. And if they did they would lose their connection to it.
Again, you’re not playing High elves, you’re playing High elves who’ve become void elves. It’s not like entropic embrace changed, or your racials either - you are still a Void elf at the end of the day.
And Tauren and Zandalari are still using light, they’re not literally the anti-thesis to light. Their paladin class is directly linked to their religious beliefs unlike the Void elves who are just wielding a dark form of magic. It’s a dishonest request, and the transparency behind it makes it laughable.
Void elves are not a light reverent race, they have no reason to receive paladin besides your superficial cries to look more like Blood elves. It would honestly be a mockery of the Paladin class.
Or we can just be a High Elf. I linked the interview for you.
They’re saying you can be a High Elf. So, yeah. Not necessarily a Void Elf.
No, because they wanted more than one option. They recognized the flaw of just relying on the Light/Sunwell, and were determined not to repeat those mistakes.
So, if the option to just toggle off Entropic Embrace’s visual crops up, then we’re High Elves, despite the Devs already telling us they’re giving us these options to be High Elves?
I’m sorry, the interview made it clear. They want players to be able to play as High Elves using those customizations. Nothing in there saying, ‘oh, but you’re still a Void Elf too.’
Unholy Light is a thing that is Dev confirmed. Don’t know what to tell you. Paladin works for Void Elves either as Void Elves using Unholy Light, or as High Elves using the Light.
Why you’re so concerned with what people choose to identify themselves as while playing is beyond me.
I see you guys are still using the good old “but a random training somewhere exist, so we should have it” argument.
Have you thought that the only reason why he exist is because they decided to add trainers to old Dalaran for every class, and not because of some obscure lore factoid that doesn’t really exist?
No, you can pretend to be one, but you’ll always be a Void Elf, even if you want to pretend you were a high elf before the mutation, you’re still a Void Elf.
No, the options are allowing you to pretend better. It’s a RP thing. It won’t change the fact that your playing a Void Elf.
It doesn’t say you are no longer a Void elf, just like Alleria is also a High elf, but still a Void elf herself. These customizations allow you to say you’re a High elf who became a Void elf. I don’t see why this is hard to grasp?
Alleria is a high elf, and a Void elf, Danuser said as much himself. So yes… even if you’re a High elf, you’re still a Void elf.
Except their option deliberately rejected the other, they were warned that their research into the void jeopardized their connection to the light of the Sunwell, and did it anyways. It’s the very reason why Void elves are told to leave the Cathedral upon entering.
The interview never said you were not a Void elf either, merely gave you the option to reflect your “roots” as a High elf. You can say you were a High elf who joined the Void elves, but you will always be a Void elf.
And news flash, you dont have a toggle for entropic embrace.
Unholy light doesn’t mean they’re paladins? And it certainly isn’t enough to justify a class that’s based on a race’s religion either. Considering the “Void” is not a religion.
Because you’re trying to use it to butcher a class. Give me an example of a single Paladin Void elf? Or a single light-wielding void elf either for that matter? Actually why don’t you give me an example of a Void elf using the High elf customizations in-game.
Probably because the same options were likened to Blood Elves and, as far as I know, they’re not Void Elves either.
Guess we’ll wait and see. I know its in my requests.
‘Religion,’ in this case is fairly loose in World of Warcraft. The Light itself is a spiritual philosophy more than anything else. The Void Elves have their own philosophy regarding the Void, that it can be used responsibly and for the good of others. So, the idea of them harnessing Unholy Light to do just that doesn’t strike me as far fetched.
Wait, are you changing your stance in the argument? There are no Void Elf NPCs using High Elf customizations in the game. Ergo, if we use those customizations, we’re not Void Elves but… High Elves. Like the Devs themselves said. Well, makes sense to me.
It’d be kinda neat if Blizzard implemented a treasure in a future expansion akin to Deceptia’s boots on Draenor.
Except instead of being faked out by a quest marker, you walk in on a fanatical Void Elf infusing themselves with either Fel or Light to try becoming a DH or Pally, just to witness them explode, and then you loot the ashes for a toy.
We’re still Blood elves at the end of the day, even if we were once high elves. It’s nice to have the option, but I’m not going to ask Blizzard to change Blood elves to accommodate it.
that’s nice? Who cares, it has nothing to do with what we’re discussing.
Except every race that has paladin, has it’s roots tied heavily to religion. You want a class that is completely non-religious, to emulate a force of magic they originally deemed too weak to protect them in the first place. Not only would this make absolutely no sense, it’s only purpose is superficial.
The only reason “Unholy” light was ever used was because it was a undead paladin casting it. There’s literally no reason why Void elves would ever emulate a force of magic they had no interest in practicing in the first place. This is just a lazy stretch to justify something that really has no place in the game. And you’re fully aware of it.
No, it’s just showcasing that the Void elves are not High elves, even if they were at one point. You were given customizations to align your roots as High elves, but canonically you’ll always be a void elf, regardless of what rp tools you’re given.
It’s like when they allowed any class to have golden eyes for Blood elves. Canonically only priests and paladins have it, but if for some reason you wish for your character to be purified by the Sunwell, that option is open to you, just like the option to look like a high elf is open to you, but that doesn’t mean we’re gonna start replacing all spell, and attack effects with the light to accommodate it, nor are we gonna give you a paladin so you can play pretend.
You. are. a. Void. elf. Even if you were once a Blood elf, or High elf, you are now a Void elf. That’s not gonna change.
Well, I’ll agree to disagree and just keep asking for what I want to ask for. If anything this conversation has firmly sold me on supporting Paladins for Void Elves.
