They don’t want to hear it, its always the same arguement. They’ll bring up Mehlar Dawnblade and completely ignore the fact that he was a pupil not officially a fully fledge Paladin.
They’ll ignore that it was frawned upon in High Elf society to worship the light when they were a strict Arcane society.
They’ll also ignore all the lore written about why people like Mehlar Dawnblade became Blood Elves and had contempt and hatred for Uther The Lightbringer.
They’ll ignore the recent effects the Void has on the Newly infused LIGHT Sunwell.
One or two things are going to happen and it will be either more RETCON or Blizzard takes a stand and sticks to their established lore.
None of the current races weren’t monks either before MoP was released and that didn’t stop them from becoming monks (except for Worgen, Goblins and LF Draenei for weird reasons).
My main objective in posting that quote was to provide a source to Vaelian for where that argument comes from. As for whether or not the Arthas novel is outdated, I’m not aware of any statements indicating that the Silver Hand induction ceremony is no longer canon, so as far as I’m concerned it still stands. Quite the contrary, 9.1 added a flashback with Uther in which he goes through the exact same ceremony.
The arthas novel has some points that were retconned. My argument isn’t to say that it didn’t happen in the past. It was simply to mention that claiming all paladins did it was not correct. The Uther scene does indeed show it happening, although I’d have to look at it closer to see if it actually shows any form of infusion, but that only would support it still being canon at that moment in the history. In the present time, there is no proof that that method of induction is still occuring. And as mentioned, it doesn’t apply to other races besides the silver hand which not all paladins are part of.
If it’s not apart of WoW’s fantasy the answer should be a no.
I disagree, it would cost the story dearly.
We do not know the full story of elune yet. She may be a goddess of light if we go with what velen theorizes. We will have to wait to see her when picture.
Why do you? We get it you want Void paladins while you care less about hoozen dooking the lore, so why keep posting?
Some points retconned, yes, but that doesn’t mean the entire novel has been rejected from the lore. The 9.1 Uther flashback specifically ends with him receiving the blessing from Faol and the other paladins-to-be.
The history of the Silver Hand is relevant here, because it is one of the proposed paths for giving Void Elves traditional paladins. The idea is that some High Elves became paladins by training with the Silver Hand before later joining the Void Elves, thus giving Void Elves traditional Light-wielding paladins. The other option I’ve seen suggested is that Void Elf paladins could be defected Blood Knights, but the problem there is that Blood Knights draw on their connection to the Sunwell to wield the Light, and Void Elves are strongly implied to have lost that connection.
Our currently established paladin organizations friendly to players are the Hand of Argus for the MU Draenei, the Army of the Light for the Lightforged, the Knights of the Silver Hand and their descendant organizations for Humans, Dwarves, and the occasional High Elf, the Blood Knights for the Blood Elves, the Sunwalkers for the Mulgore Tauren, and the prelates of Rezan for the Zandalari. Which of these do you propose as a training path for the Ren’dorei? Personally, none of them make sense to me, so if Blizzard were to introduce traditional paladins for Void Elves, I think we’d need new lore to justify it.
I don’t propose any of them. I am against Light-Based Paladin being given to Void Elves.
I simply came in here to mention, since I see it thrown around quite a lot, that the argument on “Paladins are infused with the Light” isn’t correct. Some are, but not all.
A Void Elf would certainly die if they attempted to utilize the Light as they are infused with Void and the two cosmic forces aren’t capable of interacting with one another without resulting in violent outcomes.
What I would propose instead, is a re-skin of the Paladin class/specs to be made into a Void-Based Paladin. That way, those that want to play the class can still do it without conflicting with the lore and it would also finally provide people like myself with a Void/Shadow themed class that isn’t a Shadow Priest or Subtlety Rogue that can also heal and tank.
I just think its funny when a Void elf enters the Stormwind Cathedral they’re greeted with this.
Oh! Hello there… fellow member of the Alliance.
I mean no disrespect, but… I’m just not entirely sure the cathedral is the most… appropriate place for… for…
For someone who indulges such… unique proclivities.
Even if you’re a priest. (which really tells us that the Holy/disc part for priests isn’t canon for Void elves, and the only reason they have access to it is because of the Shadow spec.)
Imagine asking to be a Paladin when the game quite explicitly tells you that you really have no place near the light. Which makes sense considering the whole point behind their research into the void in the first place was that they had no faith in the light to protect them, something no paladin would ever concede to.
If the problem truly was that you didn’t like the selection of Paladins you already have the most logical choice would be to make Night elves paladins, not a race that essentially stands as the anti-thesis to light. The agenda behind this thread is staggeringly transparent.
How anyone with even a notion of Void elf lore can say it “makes no sense not to have Void elf paladins” with a straight face is a question for a more temperate mind than my own.
This is correct, although I wish I didn’t have to explain that every so often.
I support Night Elf Paladin, although I would probably prefer if they and Nightborne were given a unique class that was similar to Paladin that was Arcane based. A Starcaller perhaps. Still, I’d also be pleased with Void Elf Paladin exclusively if they were Void Based.
The amount of times I’ve read someone say “But lightforged can be shadow” is thoroughly exasperating.
I could see Night elves honestly, not sure about Nightborne though because I haven’t really seen a huge religious presence within their society - but I am no expert on Nightborne lore so I could be wrong.
I could see them doing it for the sake of parity though.
Possibly, but then would come forth the “Give us glyphs to make our spells light!”
In Suramar, there are many crescent symbols. Even in the Nighthold raid, you see statues of women who are holding up jewels in crescent shapes.
They mirror the Night Elf crescent shapes. My Nightborne Priest worships Elune, because despite looking for it, I haven’t found anything that suggests they completely dropped Elune worship.
Nightborne do acknowledge Elune, but the religion surrounding her has vanished within their society. For that reason, I wouldn’t agree to Nightborne getting access to a Light-Based Paladin class. However, since both have an interest in the Arcane that would allow them to get the unique “Starcaller” class that would be akin to Paladin but using Arcane instead of Light. They could also just do an Arcane class skin for Paladin too, that way they don’t have to develop a brand new class.
I just always figured because they surrounded themselves with that dome that blocked out the night sky, they sort of lost that connection with Elune. That and I can’t recall ever seeing any nighborne priests anywhere.
Although I might have seen some during the BFA assaults.
I’m on board with that.
Spellblade Aluriel had a cool look to her in the Nighthold raid.
Something similar would be neat.
I’m all for a variety of different paladin types and then let people choose what they want.
With all the high elf options being rolled into void elf, I don’t even care if Light-based is an option.
I think the high elf options should be divided out into their own proper allied/subrace and that be given the light-based paladin, but I dunno that blizzard is going to give the proper attention, Wildhammer and the troll options were deserving of being allied/subraces as well, not just customizations.
More reason for some visual rethemes. Make their shadow spec into a light wielding damage dealer.
I like the arcane idea, but I’d even be up for having one return to following Elune if I were playing a nightborne paladin. Both would be neat options. Give players the freedom to follow who or what they wish and have spell effects to match.
It is not hard to believe that Nightborne still believe in Elune. You’re talking about a race of religious zealots (Night Elves). There was most likely someone in Suramar preaching about Elune inside that bubble.
I doubt they’d put this effort in, although if they did they’d need to touch up quite a few specs for certain races.
I, and many others would far more prefer that lore, and game-mechanics to actually coincide with one another, or else the significance of these options and choices will mean nothing.
I will never stand for lore being blatantly butchered just because a group of people want something.
