Dave Kosak is the guy who wrote in quests where we take down Horde zeppelins by firing ourselves out of cannons. Redridge is a giant Rambo reference where we drive a tank with a chain-gunner on top of it mowing down Orcs by the hundreds.
Dave Kosak was not known for his cerebral use of metaphor.
Their whole conversation was them talking about avoiding a war of annihilation, but whatever. OK, fine, you want to call war pre-emptive war Eeeevil? Go ahead, but donât try and compare it to ethnosupremacist trash.
The Hordeâs rationale for starting a war being an Orwellian âWar is Peaceâ analogue is probably bad enough.
Preemptive Wars are stupid just an FYI
We donât want a war and are worried about you declaring war on us, so weâre just gonna declare war on you is not what you say if you donât want a war.
That⊠would be a fair statement if the entire world had a kindergarten mentality.
Well, she used to, before they started retconning her into âAlways the eviluzt.â
You might as well save your energy, because you wonât convince Droite of that, unfortunately. Many of us have tried.
Generally The Idea of a preemptive war is you strike first to force them to surrender early.
It doesnât work because human Psychology doesnât work that way. If you commit an atrocity against people who arenât afraid of you already, your more likely to aggrevate them into retailiating them cowing them into submission. Once you attack them it will effectively be a huge battle that you may have an early advantage in, but if your offensive ever peters out you will be left in a disadvantages position, especially if they were already preparing for you to attack them and set up their defenses.
A war to avoid a lengthy conflict between two global super powers can not work, simply because of the size of the super powers. I guess it could be considered âChildlikeâ if you just want a war of annihilation where one will live and the other be destroyed, but I donât think most of the Horde leaders signed off on that.
Caring about ensuring that your tools are well maintained and used efficiently doesnât change that you consider them tools.
whether âPre-emptive wars are stupidâ or not wasnât really what I was concerned about, but thatâs also a huge blanket statement that I didnât think it was worth addressing.
Pre-emptive wars are only stupid if theyâre waged stupidly. Weâll never know if their plan would have worked because they immediately deviated from the plan.
We know that their plan wouldnât have worked because it required the Alliance to fall into an argument amongst themselves as to how to respond to an attack on Darnassus and we know from Elegy that nobody in the Alliance was taking the bait.
Have people read Edge of Night?
She also uses the phrase to describe some Elven Rangers they are leaving to die as the Scourge tears through QuelâThalas.
Not out of cruelty. Theyâre to hold the line to the last man so the Sunwellâs defenses can be sured up. Itâs not nice but soldiers holding the line at all costs is a thing that happens in wars.
But the point is sheâs literally using it to describe them as expendable. Iâm baffled how people think thereâs a deeper meaning to her using it to describe the Forsaken.
"âThere are so many!â he barked, falling silent as she raised a finger. âWe have only two dozen rangers up there,â he said, his voice now a whisper. âThey cannot survive that!â Sylvanas didnât turn her gaze away from the dark mass of shambling corpses crushing its way closer to the river ford. It was the height of the Third War, and hours away from Silvermoonâs fall at the hands of Arthasâs army.
"They merely need to delay them as we fortify the Sunwellâs defense," she answered, her tone measured.
âThey will die!â
âThey are arrows in the quiver," Sylvanas said. "They must be spent if we are to win thisâ
I am at a loss for how you can consider this a foundation for any sort of discussion.
Youâre arguing that facts < feelings. Youâre not arguing it in a tongue-in-cheek manner, or accidentally making a claim that would require that to be true, but youâre actually stating that.
Whatever your feelings are that are caused by the story, mine are now the opposite. Iâm entitled to my feelings. You can have yours. And since facts matter less, it doesnât really matter what is going on.
I feel like Teldrassil was a stunning victory for the Night Elves and a humiliating loss for the Horde. I feel like Tyrande is far more heinous than Sylvanas and has done far more terrible things than Sylvanas has done.
Facts? Metrics? No. Feelings.
Super productive.
Feels before reals used to be a commentary about the intellectual failings of a segment of society. Embracing that is not a good choice.
In the context of understanding how stories work, yes. Canon is one element of what makes up a story. The techniques that the story uses to instill a certain emotional reaction from the audience are far more important than the base facts of the text.
For someone who says Feelings are important, you sure donât ever use actual Pathos in your writing 
Or take criticism about your constant linking of other documents being a bad debate technique
And using metaphors doesnât make you a sociopath. But I donât have the energy for the usual spiral that this line of argument turns into, so Iâll leave it at that.
We had this discussion previously.
When you say something, people demand proof for it, or they demand elaboration, and they will make those demands constantly rather than letting you move on with your argument. It is better to refer back to an established point than it is to constantly rehash an old one.
Iâm guessing you came here from part 2 to that thread, so letâs consider that. The original post here is 895 words. The other one is 2051 - and even that is something that only summarizes the work that I put into the linked documents. This topic is big, and sometimes big topics have to be broken up.
This reminded me of the Shadowlands cinematic, where she actually does exactly that. Her quiver is empty, so she grabs a previously used arrow from a corpse.
I wonder if it was just a cool moment to add, or if it had a deeper meaning, since she is famous for using that phrase.
At this point I feel weâre going full 7th grade English teacher, âThe blue curtains symbolize the protagonists depressionâ, on WoW lore at this point.
And I get thatâs half the fun of fan speculation. But after I spent half of BFA just sort of assuming Nathanos would betray Sylvanas - because why depict him as showing doubt in her like four times if not to do that- Iâve decided WoW should be taken at face value.
Well, he may still have an opportunity to betray her. But we have to remember that Nathanos is insane enough to not care whether or not he goes to eternal torment.
The doubt/confusion of someone so insanely devoted to Sylvanas should get even the her most devoted cultis⊠er, fans, to at least scratch their heads.
With regard to all this âarrows in the quiverâ stuff, of course itâs supposed to come off as harsh, but sometimes reality is. Sylvanas herself was expendable when it came to her mission, because it was that important. Of course she isnât going to go around like âhey, youâre expendable!â And just because someone is expendable doesnât make it meaningless when they are spent. Or like when Nathanos saw his cousins armor and ashes, he didnât feel shame, but he did regret that things turned out the way they did, and it wasnât meaningless to him.
I was pointing out that she has gone back for arrows and reused them. She did it in the cinematic. I said it in response to:
Regardless of what she says, when no one else was at Icecrown looking, other than her enemies, she did use arrows after their first use.