Delves are braindead and honestly shouldnt reward hero track if im being honest.
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Sure, Delves are highly rewarding for their difficulty. I would not be surprised if they nerfed them to cap out at champion track, perhaps with hero 1 vault.
What do you expect would happen if they did?
They were never meant to be “balanced” with each other.
Dungeons lead into raiding, thats literally what they are there for.
M+ was because people who dont raid wanted scaling content for themselves too.
Delves were for people who dont want either raiding or m+ to still have gear options.
The later two systems were literally made because players either couldn’t, or didn’t want to, form a group large enough to raid (or they didn’t have the time as raids are designed to take multiple hours to complete, always have been)
The people who can’t do (currently) 7+s? Those are the people delves are for. The ones who can’t, or won’t, do challenging content, but wanted more to do after they outgrew normal/heroic.
Have you been living under a rock? That’s literally what they did. 1-10 is what M0 is right now. The new 1-10 is supposed to be the equivalent of 10-20 that previous seasons had.
You simply should have difficulty before just the key that gives you portals and the best gear. There isn’t any way around that.
I’d like to know as well.
10 is what M0 is right now. There is no “range of difficulty” in M0s.
It would need to be much harder than they currently are.
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I agree but that isn’t a reason for it to never happen. That’s just a reason to adjust and design more difficulty into them before it does happen.
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That is quite literally what I said.
Under the current system:
DF and previous 1-10 has been rolled into m0.
The new 1-10 is the old 11-20.
They literally stated as such in their post about this system in TWW beta/launch.
Are you finally coming to the point we are making? The content is braindead easy. As such, it should not give the best gear.
That is fundamentally not what this post wants.
They dont want more difficulty. They just want higher ilvl gear. Some people in this thread want less difficulty for higher rewards. That just simply will never be the case.
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Blizz stated it wouldnt get higher rewards so players werent forced to do them.
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10 was rolled into M0s. Heroics are around what old 0s were.
Old 2-9 does not exist anymore.
It is disingenuous and misleading to say that “1-10 was rolled into M0.”
This isn’t 2004 bro. M+ and Raiding offer equivalent rewards which is a big reason for the rework to make them more balanced but they can never be truly balanced because of the logistical differences.
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Wrong. Used to be able to do an m0 and upgrade that piece to max heroic raid gear. Can’t do that anymore because of different tracks and crests
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Well that wouldn’t be my approach to it. So while I’d disagree with that, I also disagree that it should never happen.
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I agree. This is all a mirror of the intro of M+ and I think it’s going to net out the same for Delves.
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Blizzard has already said its not happening.
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You mean like they said they don’t want brutosaurs everywhere?
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I dont remember them every saying that. However in the Q and A for delves they stated delves are not going to be a alternate for mplus or raiding.
Its sole purpose is to give solo players some “difficult” progression. Its lucky it awards hero track at all
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How are you not getting the point?
Literally where did anyone say it was. You are whining about them being “balanced” so that they give the same gear. I’m telling you why they aren’t. That’s all.
Read the whole post because you literally parroted back to me exactly what I said, but in your own words so you felt like you contributed, and I’m definitely not repeating it to you.
Literally no one is saying it should never happen. We are saying it should never be kept the same or easier but give better gear.
This simply not true because you straight up did not get hero track gear from a m0 ever. No one cares about your experience from BFA when the vault was first put in the game or before that in legion. Even in Shadowlands it wasn’t like that because you literally had to do the content to get the IO to upgrade the piece. It doesnt matter if that changeling in shadowlands could go to max heroic because the effort was comparable to now, you still needed to be doing 15+s to get the io to upgrade the gear. It was only after that where you spammed 2s to get valor to max upgrade it, thankfully blizzard changed that to the crest/track system so your forced to actually do the content for the gear.
I mean…they are though.
They said it and I’d never take Blizzard’s word on anything even if they hadn’t. But they did.