This is your entire stance. Why should anyone respect your opinion on not wanting perma visage because you like the dracthyr race? You keep asking others to look at it from your pov and not have this closed view, while also refusing to do the same because it doesn’t line up with what YOU like.
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A reasonable enough thing, but that should get provided by dracthyr getting more mog options. Not perma visage.
There are tons of casters. Of varying flavors. There is only one dragon class. Why is the argument to water down the fantasy of the dragon class? Why argue for putting resources towards NOT supporting the dragon fantasy, on the only dragon class?
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I see what you’re saying but at that point we should have never had the visage form as an option to dip into in the first place, I’m not against dracthyr getting more mog options in general but if I want to stay in my visage form and mog my visage form up then I should be able to, if you want to stay in your dragon form by all means that doesn’t bother or affect me in the slightest you do you and I’ll do me I just want the choice to make a decision in how my character looks with my preferences. I don’t personally really care much for the dragon fantasy I just enjoy how the class itself plays.
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Yes, I agree.
Again, reasonable. But every action requires resources. Time. Focus. Energy. The absolute last thing I want is effort being spent on not reinforcing the dragon fantasy.
Evoker+Dracthyr is the literal only combo I have to engage in that fantasy, to appear and function exactly like I’ve always hoped (except for Aug, shoulda been a tank spec). I can ONLY experience that fantasy with this class and race combo, and there are so many mogs and visual improvements I’d like to see that the absolute last thing I want on developers minds is perma visage.
Then you should advocate to make the Dracthyr/Dragon form better. I would support that, because there are multiple ways you can improve the Dracthyr form. Throwing the Dracthyr form away is not the answer, and repels players who enjoy playing as a draconic character and have brought into this class’ unique fantasy.
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To be fair I doubt there would be much resources being used to make the visage form permanent since they have already done that with the other classes the dracthyr are being implemented into, not to be an armchair dev or anything, this would be a one-off change that gives people the option to choose what they wanna do with their character. The visage form is what we put all our time and effort into mogging at the moment post-creation of the character and that’s what I want to look at when I’m playing the game especially when I’m in combat. Now would it be different if the class came out without the visage form being an option and mog options post-creation that actually look good for the class? Yeah for sure, and if there was another class that played similarly to evoker but without the “draconic” theme and the option to pick elf, human, orc etc as the race options I would have likely gone with that instead but there unfortunately isn’t so dev evoker is the only class in the game that fits the playstyle I enjoy so I’d like to be able to mog it to my liking.
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You still have the option to stay in your dracthyr form if perma visage became a thing for evokers and I also think there should be more mog options for the dragon form in general so why not both? It wouldn’t take much for Blizzard to update evoker to inherit the perma visage from the new system on the other classes then they can also invest time into giving more mog options to the dragons whether that be through the barber shop or other sources.
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I’m not a game dev, but I am a full-stack developer. From my ancillary knowledge of how the engine works, how the meshing for animations and armor sets function, how tying of spells to animations work. To do that for every single spell, every single scenario, and then have the game be capable of switching theoretically on the fly even during combat…you’re talking multiple months with at least 3 developers only working on that.
They could do it for dracthyr on other races (which I presume took many months just to get to that point) because they hyper focused on only 2 animation sets that exist because of the racial. This isn’t a ‘oh lets get it done over the weekend’ deal.
This is why I’d rather they spend time on making mogs available to dracthyr first. Reinforce the fantasy. Cause if they’re gonna spend months doing something in a limited pipeline, I do not want it to be on perma visage.
I only wanna spend time in the draconic form (even though would be nice if it was slightly beefier). I have 2 transmog options to work from. You at least, right now, have visage to sometimes look how you want. I will always advocate for more options in the dragon appearance realm then the perma visage realm, cause right now the people who DO like the dragon fantasy have extremely little to work with.
In development its never a one off change. New evoker spell has a new animation, now you have two animation sets to map for.
This might just be where the disconnect is for me because I personally don’t care how the animations look, I’ve already been using toys and change how I look and they make the animations look goofy but to me that doesn’t really matter, the animations could be the exact same and untouched for the visage form and I wouldn’t bat an eye since I’m already used to how goofy they can look outside of dragon form. I just want the character itself to look like how I want it.
Fact of the matter is Blizzard themselves don’t even really care much for the dragon form at least that’s how it’s come off since they haven’t actually added anything new to them to mog since release and all the mog options that come out for evoker through tier sets and such are geared towards the visage form so clearly that’s what Blizzard thinks that’s what people would prefer to do so I don’t understand why a perma visage form is where the line is being drawn.
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My entire stance is the game has lore and needs to be respected regardless of visuals. Not that I don’t or do like the models. It has nothing to do with models, just how the lore says there shall not be undead paladins therefore I don’t think there should be undead paladins how is this hard to understand
Like I care about the lore, I’ve already done all the sojourner achievements, watched all the cutscenes, just because the best part of those were xal’atath’s feet doesn’t mean I don’t think the lore revealed was bad 
i wont argue this hard over there cause idc enough about it ill just make a generic argument. un like druid where i like the forums this mcdonalds at home dragon is up there with diaper baby as a failed attempt at a new race.
your the 1 who said you would hate the class over it. the way other people look dont effect me so idc and it wont change how i feel about the class but i guess i just like the class more than you where as you like the race more than i do.
since you dont care why should i care. for that matter why should i even respect your opinion?
thats how all these people are. its respect my opinion on how you should play the game or i dont play i dont respect your opinion. there so toxic
cool so lets take those resources and start over with this mcdonalds at home dragon and get us something that looks more like a dragonoid cause this isnt it. 1 is far easier than starting over. always wanted a dragon as a playable race but i dont want 1 so bad im willing to accept this lazy poor excuse for 1
the people who are against that are saying you having fun is wrong and somehow effects how they are having fun and as such is worth less because it interferes with their fun
we spent 20 years asking for dragons as a playable race and this is blizzards monkeys paw with giving it to us as they always do.
lightforge warlocks. all lore arguments are moot by that existence
we can do this dance as many time as you want…holy priest for forsaken. idc about any argument you make as its wrong
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Then stop arguing for it over here. Clearly you can’t even stick to your own statements.
Because unfortunately for you my position aligns with blizzards lore and decisions which you are so vehemently opposed to because you can’t accept the reality of evoker.
You know nothing of the lore regarding that. The fel cares not who it gives its power too. It will give it away to try and take over the user and turn them into a demon.
The lfd that become warlocks are dissatisfied with the light and are turning to the fel so the fel is willing to give them power.
Again it actively harms them and in lore shadow priests for forsaken are the only forsaken. But you cannot lock them to that because the game doesn’t work like that.
i can and did. i said i would argue i never said i would argue as hard for something idc about.
ah yes the lore that thing blizzard has changed so often to fit bad writing. nobody respects the lore less than blizzard so stop acting like you have the moral high ground cause there is no high ground with the lore.
the reality is its a great class held back by its bad race. its the least played race…that means people would rather play the diaper baby than this. think about that
then delete holy and disc priest option for forsaken. you dont get to cherry pick. the game doesnt work like that because its stupid. we must follow the lore and only the lore but we can make a exception for forsaken but only for forsaken priest.
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You said you would make the post so go ahead or don’t idc reflects on you not me
Just because you don’t respect the story and lore doesn’t mean it’s not important that’s a you problem unfortunately
That’s very subjective so I’m sorry you feel that way
Because it’s been locked to 1 new class….
The game doest’t work like that. I don’t even know if it would be possible to code that in to the game at this point.
Look man you gotta get over your irrational hatred of the dracthyr form if you wanna play evoker 
There are other casters to play if you hate it that much.
thats a reading comprehension problem on your part. i didnt say i dont i said blizzard doesnt and they dont.
well with them adding other classes for the dracthyr to play as were about to get all the info to either back it up or im wrong and most people just dont like evokers. either way 1 of the 2 seems to be hated for so little to play it.
i dont have to get over my dislike for a lazy race. other casters arent as fun as evoker. you gotta let go of your wrong atachment to the race. blizzard is dragging their feet bwcause they refuse to admit there wrong any time
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If you say so, i disagree. I think they do their best and it’s probably very difficult to manage to keep a story going that doesn’t end for 20 years and many more to come.
Other classes don’t channel dragon magic.
Not true? If you can say statements generalizing I can say the same and so I’ll say most people enjoy it and it’s only those who are very displeased who bother to interact with wow forums and reddit at all.
It’s a pretty cool race, you can say it’s lazy but that’s an opinion.
You do if you want to play evoker.
Because they aren’t wrong 
lmao.
cherry picking to fit your argument again…at least have the decency to use the whole sentence. also while you cherry picked part of a sentence your argument is wrong as evoker is the least played class so by that alone most people dont enjoy it.
I stated the exact same thing as you but flipped the roles don’t like it don’t make those types of statements lmao.
i dont remember doing this. i do remember pulling full sentences and then responding to them though
well I quoted it so shouldn’t be hard to find.