We gave it a shot, and legacy loot is not working

[Lumino-queldorei]

@Rhielle-sentinels

And people have gotten that gear after that expansion for over a decade. So…?

So? That’s fine. I’m arguing that the current system that puts non-Mythic raiders through a time and RNG gate seems at least reasonably appropriate to keep those appearances exclusive.

People were able to farm those mogs for over a decade but it wasn’t until very recently that the mogs became a primary motivator for some people.

@Rhielle-sentinels

No. They aren’t. You want them to be. But they’re not. There’s a difference.

You can’t even argue this point in a thread like this because it’s literally the point of the thread and a main reason why I’m even participating. The OP values the mogs and wants them easier to obtain. I value the mogs and think they should be more exclusive. We both value the mogs and you apparently value them enough to read the thread and comment as well.

@Rhielle-sentinels

There are thousands of others from over a decade of raids, PvP and world content. Find one you like and stop caring about what other people look like.

Exactly. The OP could just find one of the thousands of non-Mythic mogs he likes and go with that one and stop worrying about what Mythic raiders look like. This argument ALWAYS cuts both ways.

@Rhielle-sentinels

Then by all means, find it for me. Because I have ever seen anyone use “exclusive mog is a reward for Mythic raiding”. Why? Because it’s not exclusive and never has been.

Exclusive was maybe a poor choice of words I’ll concede but it doesn’t change the spirit of my argument that those appearances are more restricted than most.

Also this took about 30 seconds to find and is something that pops up in NEARLY every thread about raiding rewards but just to humor you here you go:

1/8m Raiders being 380+

I’m not the first to say this, but the reward for doing mythic raiding is the custom mog and the achievement. These are not available anywhere else. Only mythic raiding. The same can be said for PVP. Gearing has always been the process to reach the end game rewards but is not the reward in itself. In previous x-pacs prior to achievements and mogs you literally had nothing for your effort. Sure, you could tell your friends how awesome you were before all your gear became trash but really yo…

@Rhielle-sentinels

Well, that’s certainly not true. On these forums alone-- along with in game-- a lot of people look up profiles and achievement dates to see who has completed what and when.

You killed Mythic Norshen in SoO in September 2016. I killed him in November 2014.

Were either of those current tier kills? Does anybody even care? For the record mine was killed during the current raid tier and yours was done after Legion released. Nobody is impressed by achievements years after they were earned but as you said … the mog is eternal.

@Rhielle-sentinels

They’re not more exclusive. Just need to run them differently right now. People that really want those mogs are getting them regardless.

Right so I’m fine with the current system and don’t think it needs to have the restrictions loosened at all.

[Lucrend-thrall (Lucrend)]

Which irritated many people when it was first announced it would work that way. Blizzard, in true head in the sand Blizzard fashion, pushed this along just like every bad BFA decision.

Why is the previous expansion bound by current expansion rules? Where’s the logic? It seems like this decision was made JUST SOLELY to make us farm longer for no real reason or benefit.

[Rhielle-sentinels (Rhielle)]

I’m arguing that the current system that puts non-Mythic raiders through a time and RNG gate seems at least reasonably appropriate to keep those appearances exclusive.

They’re not exclusive. (Which you admitted later on in your post, so moot point now.) And the same gate that’s existed still exists, only in a slightly different manner.

The OP values the mogs and wants them easier to obtain.

I don’t think anyone asked for easier. Just for the looting to make some sense. No one is asking for them to be handed out freely.

The OP could just find one of the thousands of non-Mythic mogs he likes and go with that one and stop worrying about what Mythic raiders look like.

He’s not worried about what Mythic raiders look like. He’s just after a particular mog and frustrated by the way this system works for old content.

Also this took about 30 seconds to find

Of course it did. Because you posted in it. And out of the roughly 300 posts I skimmed in there, only five mentioned cosmetic appearance that everyone else ignored, because the topic was about ilevel and gear progression. Not sure how you thought that proved anything.

Were either of those current tier kills? Does anybody even care?

People do care. It’s brought up quite frequently in discussions about progression content and who did what and earned what when. People also use it as a method to see who they want to invite to raids. What do you think AotC is all about?

Nobody is impressed by achievements years after they were earned but as you said … the mog is eternal.

As I said, it’s brought up quite frequently in discussions about progression content. “You didn’t even get AotC back then.” Or, “you never even finished a Mythic raid when it was current.” Both common.

And yes, the mog is eternal-- for everyone at any given time.

I believe we’re arguing in circles here. So I’m going to stop and let us both just rest with how we feel concerning things.

[Lumino-queldorei]

I believe we’re arguing in circles here. So I’m going to stop and let us both just rest with how we feel concerning things.

To be totally honest I don’t even really know what we’re debating or where you stand on the issue. You just seemed to take exception with a few things I said in my post about why I feel those appearances should be protected and then it turned into a “thing”.

I think the current way loot works is good from the perspective that it does make those appearances harder to earn when the content is faceroll which makes them a bit more prestigious for the people who earned them when current but I also totally see where this system looks like garbage to someone who was used to getting 8 drops from every boss and completing a set in 2-3 clears.

I just disagree that it should be made easier or that just because a Mythic raid appearance is 3 expansions old it should be commonly available to anybody who wants it especially in this age where the current raid armor is so ugly that we almost feel forced into going back to older better looking mogs.

[Tarc-fenris (Tarc)]

It seems like this decision was made JUST SOLELY to make us farm longer for no real reason or benefit.

Again, you don’t have a right to drops that were current less than a year ago.

[Lucrend-thrall (Lucrend)]

Exactly. For no logical reason other than to keep us grinding forever. Glad we can agree on that.

[Tarc-fenris (Tarc)]

For no logical reason other than to keep us grinding forever.

Generation Entitlement, right there.

It’s not too crazy of a thought to keep the drops limited in content that isn’t, quite yet, a cakewalk.

[Lucrend-thrall (Lucrend)]

I’m probably older than you.

I just see old content as just that…old content that continues to have the same restrictions as current content. I have an issue with that. Clearly you’ll defend every decision Blizzard makes so I’m not sure why we’re continuing this conversation.

[Taeldoriàn-stormrage (Taeldoriàn)]

I think people are misunderstanding the main argument here.

The OP isn’t saying raids need to be nerfed so he can solo it, he’s saying that IF he can solo some bosses he should be able to get loot from those bosses. I actually agree with this, some bosses are actually pretty tricky to solo especially from later mythic legion content like ABT so if they manage to solo 1 or 2 then they should be able to get loot from those bosses.

As someone who thinks mythic raiding is extremely under rewarding due to the fact raids can be solo’d with ease once they’re obsolete and the mythic rewards are still obtainable I actually agree with the sentiment that if you can solo the bosses then you should be able to get loot.

[Metrohaha-firetree (Metrohaha)]

We are literally not on the same page for any of this, so I just can’t help you. It feels like we are talking about two different topics, honestly.
I still have yet to hear what the actual problem is with Legacy Loot!

Best of luck having your problem heard and potentially resolved!

[Ronzonai-area-52]

It’s not even that it’s not working. It is flat out broken.

I am overwhelmingly getting duplicate drops. I’d almost say 8 or 9 out of 10 times. That isn’t random and loot never dropped like this.

I also hate what they’ve done with the lockout for Ulduar. It is asinine.

[Ronzonai-area-52]

and we won’t be able to run mythic bfa raids until some time in 9.something.

Or you could just run them, like, now. Today.

Ah yes. Typical quality post from WoW General Discussion.

Stark reminder of why to post here.

[Arithawn-stormrage (Arithawn)]

This whole “10 levels above the content” stuff is more metric padding nonsense that gimps twinks

It’s actually “more than 10 levels above the content” and what they deem as legacy is clearly not something from the previous expansion it is from 2+ expansions ago…

[Spotti-area-52 (Spotti)]

Getting a friend or two

I’m glad you have that luxury.

[Orctang-area-52 (Orctang)]

No, you really shouldn’t, this is the epitome of entitlement.

Actually, another incorrect usage of the word entitlement!

[Orctang-area-52 (Orctang)]

I still have yet to hear what the actual problem is with Legacy Loot!

The problem is prior to 7.3.5 they would be getting the regular number of items for doing mythic raid in legion and after 7.3.5 and legacy loot they get pretty much nothing.

I have been running stuff for transmogs for a long time…

[Metrohaha-firetree (Metrohaha)]

That doesn’t really make sense, because it was changed at a time when you couldn’t solo legion raids without high effort.

The situation isn’t an issue with legacy loot at all, its an issue with it NOT being active some where.

Anyway, I’d have to hear it from the OP, because after the back and forth we had, I have no idea what his actual concern is, or his suggestion to fix it, and he doesn’t seem to understand my counter point or why I made it.

Very confusing, because the thread title and opening post is very strongly worded, but goes in no particular direction after that.

I think he doesn’t understand what is and isn’t legacy loot and how its currently working.
I think he doesn’t realize it is this way on purpose, he doesn’t see the reason for that decision, and he isn’t thinking ahead to when Legion content WONT be like this.

Even though I agree that they should just change it sooner rather than later (perhaps with 8.2, would be perfect?) to say “legacy loot is not working” then makes the points that are made here is just flat out confusing.

[Orctang-area-52 (Orctang)]

That doesn’t really make sense, because it was changed at a time when you couldn’t solo legion raids without high effort.

At the time (during Legion before 7.3.5) you could solo/duo Draenor raids (my wife and I could duo them) and get a lot of Mythic raid drops. So, yeah it was changed with personal loot and legacy raid settings. Now with all those changes in place when we duo Legion raids we get basically no gear. So, I agree with the OP, it is a waste of my time now until 9.0.

[Metrohaha-firetree (Metrohaha)]

Yes, as do I, but it isn’t actually an issue with Legacy Loot.
Its an issue with there NOT being legacy loot for legion content, so I think if he wants to see this taken properly, it should be worded very differently.

[Orctang-area-52 (Orctang)]

We can call it whatever you want too. It used to work in Legion prior to 7.3.5 and it doesn’t work now.