I love when someone give a well thought out and rational response to the topic. This wasn’t an example of one, but I was just musing.
Guess what?
Mythic mogs were less exclusive and had been for some times already. until recently, when the devs decided that metric padding trumped fun game play.
The content is trivial, and it gives players no real advantage to farm cosmetic items. It’s not “entitlement” it literally restores the game feature that has been accessible for everyone for years and a system that worked perfectly fine until it was needlessly broken by devs who keep intentionally trying to pad metrics that their own numbers tell them is a losing strategy.
There’s 2 issues here; difficulty of old raids and legacy loot.
The difficulty level has always been like this. I’m a fairly average filthy casual, I rolled through Legion mythic 5-man at ilevel 350 or so, and normal Nighthold at maybe 380 with some trickiness n a few bosses. I’m sure people better than I have soloed more places with less gear.
It is too soon after legion for the entirety of the raiding content to be facerolled by casuals. Sorry, I just don’t believe old content should be obsoleted quite that quickly, we haven’t even hit 8.2 yet.
As for legacy loot, if you wanted the better transmogs from Legion raids, then you should have been a better player and ran it when it was current. For now, the real raiders get to enjoy those mogs as one of the perks for being, y’know, “real.”
I’m beginning to see that “ERHMAGHERD TIME-GATE!!!” is really shorthand for “I wasn’t good enough to earn Reward X when it was current, so give it to me right now.”
Never been nor ever will be a mythic raider. People who raided mythic when it was current were able to enjoy those mogs all expansion long. Now the content is old. The devs just appear spiteful to say legacy loot starts 11 levels above content. There’s no logical reason to gate OLD CONTENT.
Of course it works perfectly (“as intended” some might say)…that’s the problem.
That’s why I made the thread. I suspected as much, and after several weeks of trying to slog through and not finding a group, or having it bail on certain mythic bosses…I said “enough’s enough!”
This never would have happened before. Myself and my friends simply would have geared up, and cleared it like we would have before. Maybe grabbing a pug or two as needed until we reached a point where we could clear it on our own.
The current system actually discourages people from clearing the raids fully and abandoning your run.
Sure, early on it’s still relevant as those mythic sets and gear will allow you to power through the early content. But as I said earlier, once you hit your first heroic or mythic, it becomes trivial.
I’m not sure you are looking at this clearly.
What is the actual problem here, because I’m not seeing it.
To me, the only issue is that its not present in Legion content, and I would support people who say it SHOULD be, but I gave my reasoning why it isn’t and you responded with some very odd stuff.
No, it does absolutely nothing to encourage OR discourage that.
That’s just how the game works and has always worked.
If people are only interested in killing Tichondrius, then they will leave after Tichondrius etc.
That wouldn’t change regardless of the loot system, and that’s how actual pug raiding works at max level as well!
It wouldn’t even be any different if you were alone. If you were only interested in the transmog from the 5th boss, you wouldn’t do the 10th as well.
And ya, I imagine by now Legion raids are very very easy.
That’s why I would support them changing it, but still, its been less than 2 years since that content has been out.
It makes sense that they still want to try to encourage you to explore it a bit.
Well then i agree with the enabling of the legacy loot to Legion content. But i don’t think Legion raids should be nerfed until 9.0 following the pattern and all that.
I also agree that forced personal loot sucks and all it did was over complicate things. Especially in scenarios where the player is running instances solo.
Anything that makes life harder for those with no actual skill and can only feel like big men by massively overgearing the competition in a leveling bracket is a good thing.
It was implemented in the last patch of legion. Which meant that everything, from legion forward would be running under those rules.
…and here we go again.
No, it hasn’t. Prior to them not caring about people being able to clear old raids and related content with smaller groups, you could literally solo a place and have everything drop. No fuss, no problem.
Now, you have to hope you can find enough people for outdated content just so you can farm a transmog set…or wait a few years so you can do it on your own. The old system was clearly better for this, when they took those who farmed old content inot consideration before their metric padding.
The smaller the group size, the less you are at the mercy of random leavers. Thus, my earlier example of a small group of friends soloing a trivial raid for mogs.
Imagination and reality are quite different. Good luck trying to find full mythic clears for the later raids on multiple toons.
Which means it’s trivial. Which means there’s no point in having it be something that people shouldn’t be able to run in a smaller group. And not have to worry about the loot nonsense.
“Explore” what? 8.2 isn’t out yet. Let’s not use any of the pat clichés about “immersion” etc. People just want to farm their mogs and enjoy their leisure time. It shouldn’t be turned into a hoop jumping slog because someone thought it would be a great way to try and pad the ever falling metrics.
Fun fact: We’re supposed to have a separate system that gives us at least 2 pieces of loot from Legion bosses when killing them at level 120. However, this has never worked and Blizzard has never mentioned it after the Q&A introducing it.
Jump to 13:10 and listen to Ion’s answer.
But all of this could be solved by changing the legacy loot system from 11 levels to 10. It’s an arbitrary cutoff that makes no sense and just hampers player enjoyment.
I don’t agree. For most classes, you’ve always had to group up to tackle the previous expansions hardest content. By the time we get to the end patch of BFA soloing Mythic Legion content will be common.
