Ah, I see you want to be silly like the goblin. Nevermind.
Well, not always. Itâs also not always about which keys youâve completed (though sometimes people in pugs are sticklers) It could be that some big chongus dps signed up and the lead was âAw hell, yes.â Maybe youâve only completed a single 10 and the lead is like âmmm, I dunnoâŚâ but if youâve completed most everything else on a 9 getting into a 10 isnât as hard. âŚwell, insert the lfg problem video here.
10s are about the same as a 9, depending on the group and makeup of said group. spacial awareness, position, keeping an eye on pride % and trying to use the pride buff where best appropriate all come into play but 10s arenât really that hard. âŚfinding a full pug thatâs halfway decent however, thatâs another story.
You need to change what youâre trying to project.
Speed runs/ carries are designated to take people who will trivialize the content.
PuGs are meant to take people outside of a consistent group
2 very different things
There is an addon that blocks all the sales in LFG
This is because WoW devs are trying to force people to join guilds because they think thatâs good for the community instead of making a system to match players in pug raids. This makes it harder to pug and find groups, and thus people grasp at whatever they can to ensure success to make a group run smoothly.
Pugs are meant to do whatever the leader of the pug wants. Youâre applying your own definition here.
A pug can speed run, a pug can teach, a pug can mess about, they can even sell carries if they want. Because the leader stated what he intends to do and people sign up to do it.
Mythic raiding and m+ are intended to be done with a set group (per a Dev post a long time ago). That you can form a pug of people who have never met before and complete the content is irrelevant.
I already answered why pugs have high standards earlier, if you want a response to OP.
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Never claimed they didnât
I reworded the definition of the acronym of PuG with the same meaning and itâs wrong?
So 5-1 =/= 4 because itâs not 2 + 2? Seems a bitâŚoff.
For quick clarification, I never said what the purposes of a PuG was. Just simply what it is
I mean that might help a little but even back in BFA the highest key Iâve ever done is something like a 7+ through PuGs alone.
Personally I find that any key that goes over 3 affixes are group breakers.
You were splitting types of groups (speed runs, carries, etc) from pugs, which to me, read as saying pugs arenât âthisâ they are âthatâ.
Iâm not enjoying your constant replies, so Iâm leaving it here. I gave my thoughts to op and you just kept trying to pick apart my posts/being pedantic with âintendedâ.
Lol youâre the one who said that PuGs are:
Perhaps the ones you make are. Not I wonât deny that most pugs do have a higher standard put upon them, but itâs not always the case nor are they simply selfish goal oriented operations.
But to each their own. Have a wonderful night
Just out of curiosity, if how many people do you see regularly who create PuGs not for the sole intention of finishing X content? And what are their reasons for making a group if they donât have a goal?
Also curious as to where you find these PuG groups motives, as Iâve never really seen any groups in LFG that say âhoping to do +X Plaguefall, but really all I want is to meet new friendsâ
I donât see doing content as it was designed for as selfish (I understand âdesigned forâ can be looked at many different ways)
Asking for AoTC runs, when you have AoTC is A-Ok by me.
Asking for KSM members when youâve got KSM is fine.
Asking for KSM members when the best youâve done is a 7, thatâs selfish.
Asking for AoTC to help carry you through normal, I see that as selfish.
We have been at this point, unfortunately, for a long time.
I remember Wrath where if you didnât have first 4, the guys didnt want you for the first 4 in PUGs.
PvPers for god knows how long want you to have the rating/xp to push the rating/xp.
Its always been bad to PUG. Not that its not doable or enjoyable, just that its a community aspect and the community isnt that nice.
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Need experience to get a job.
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well this tends to happen when the only people left playing the game are the ones who are addicted to the reward loop without really enjoying the content
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Iâm curious why people donât like running content with a guild. Trade chat is 24/7 spam of guilds that are begging people to join, and the majority of them are pushing high keys with a few mythic CN kills under their belt.
It would be easier to join a guild and run with them instead of trying to compete in the pug queue.
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The reality is you have about 2-3 months max once the content is released to get it done or youâre SOL pug wise. All thatâs left is to host your own group and be honest and Yolo lead it yourself. Chances are youâll just get carried but because you were honest, no one will care.
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It depends on what you clarify as being selfish and do you only view it in the negative sense.
Duffle was probably not saying âthese people are jerks who only care about themselvesâ, simply that that they were going through the process for a goal, a goal most likely for themselves
There is nothing wrong with that of course, and like I said itâs not inherently negative.
However I would feel confident to bet that most people in LFG are there for their own personal goals and objectives, they arenât there for someone elseâs positive gaming experience, which as Duffle said is unlike guild like environments where you absolutely will get groups where people are simply helping out another member or doing the content âjust for funâ.
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Everyone wants to do 15 and Heroic Sire, try doing 16 and Heroic Sludge then just staying for the last two.
I did a 16, we got the 2-chest, and now I get into 15 sometimes! Nice
This is pretty accurate. There have been numerous occasions where Iâve joined groups for something and ended up being asked to take charge as the original leader wasnât 100% on mechanics and saw me explaining a lot of fights.
Like, Iâm already there and somewhat committed, since Iâm invested itâs easier to help make it happen then to drop and start again (unless everyone is struggling)
Thanks Haavi. I probably come across through text as more negative at times but this is what I was trying to get at.
Also, âinviting newbies and teaching them a low dungeonâ is still a goal, imo. The reward being warm fuzzies instead of loot. It means my description is pretty open ended, though.
Guilds are absolutely more likely to do 3 hour +15s with 190 ilvl alts over a pug, for instance. With maybe a lot of alcohol.