Its way more than 10 seconds depending on the group. My best gamoora’s were all sub minute kills. My worse was almost 3 mins. Also usually the worst performing people in kills like that aren’t doing too much worse than other people.
Especially in a good team its both being skilled yourself and pushing it to the max and having everyone else in your group doing similarly. While there are exceptions I believe this is a constant. The strength of the wolf is the pack, and the strength of the pack is the wolf.
Parsing in and unto itelf is a good idea , one should always strive to do better, eliminate errors in rotation and actually see which rotation is most effective. As well as all the other data you can tease out of a parse (for example keeping Dots/debuffs up should be close as possible to 100% of the time, you can see not only if they dropped off but for how long) In short actually using the data gathered to improve your (or your raids) effectiveness is a great idea
Only using logs to see Big number = good is a bad idea. it is toxic, but it is what the community does. the logs are basically being used as a glorified DPS meter, and they were not meant to be used that way.
If min maxing isn’t your thing than don’t do it. if enough people agree with you than you’ll have people to play with. If you cant find anyone to play with that dont do what you describe as ‘min/maxing’ than those people just dont want their time wasted by underperforming trolls.
Parse culture is a cancer and destined to kill the game, and all fun the game may bring. It’s (Classic and SoD in general) currently way too RNG based and it ends up as more of a luck comparison than a skill comparison between players.
Parsing is basically killing bosses in everyones burst phase, with a few exceptions. This means it isn’t even an accurate view of a persons DPS whatsoever. You will not parse as high unless everyone else in your group also has a high parse, this is what creates fast kill times.
It feeds peoples ego’s though. I can’t tell you how many times i wound up in a group in a pug, or even in guild where the person bragged about their parses…sometimes even linking their logs, only to completely fail at basic mechanics over and over again.
I always found tank parses pretty funny and degenerate in a good way. I’m sure there’ll be some druid soaking patchwerk hateful strikes in cat form once we get to the end. Just some gamers up to some fun shenanigans.
yeah, some parses are down strictly to how quickly you kill the boss, and how friendly RNG was to you during that short time frame. Not saying parses are bad, just that they’re sometimes more indicative of your raid’s DPS.
And what is the average kill time vs the best. That’s a better gauge on how important having everything ‘lined up’, or not. Even at 3 minutes. That’s not long at all…21 minutes fighting bosses if each fight takes 3 minutes. So, again, maybe complain that Blizzard inflates raid times by putting in too much trash. And not gatekeeping fellow players because they can’t ‘measure up’ to a standard only a handful will ever achieve.
Consumes and a working knowledge of the fight is all you need to succeed. How do I know? Because Blizzard designed their game for casuals.
Normally, I don’t care how other’s play their time on this game. However, I do take issue when how you play is then used to measure how everyone else should play. Casuals are looking at the pros and then turning to the other casuals and being like “we need to play like that”.
WCL’s are just a tool. Players still have agency in SoD and had it in '19. The issue now is that everyone wants to join another person’s raid instead of making their own with their own set of rules. Just worry about you and make groups the way YOU want to and let others do the same. Hope this helps. Cheers!
Fortunately no one is saying that you need to clear gamoora in a minute. Its not heroic lich king, there’s no pressure to eeke out every ounce of dps in order to kill any of these bosses, if you do its just for fun.
Without parsing people would stop playing as soon as they got the gear they wanted. It’s good for any mmo, it promotes continued play, and is one of the most amazing resources for data analysis that exist.
The only bad part about parsing is the player attitudes towards other players in terms of parsing and over-investing in dps comparison charts - as in seeing a middle of the pact dps for example and banning them from groups because they aren’t top 3 or top 4.
Parsing and data is good. Players who don’t know how to use it are bad. The argument should be made that players are bad/dumb, not that parsing and WCL is bad.
What if my rule is don’t stand in poop, is it wrong to ask others not to stand in poop? After all if too many don’t move out of AoEs then they will die and if too many die we won’t have the DPS to kill the boss before healers go oom (alternatively the healers will go OOM trying to keep both them and tanks alive, then we all die)
You know I was referring to the notion of stacking raids with specific classes that use specific specs because “‘Pro Team no. 137’ used this setup to clear the raid in under 20 minutes”. Or otherwise demanding that everyone “parse purple” because (waves hand wildly at logs) all these other did it.
What I said had nothing to do with not performing or avoiding mechanics.
It’s not allowed in FF14. And that game is still going very strong. – I’m aware of FFLogs. I’m also aware that if it’s used to discriminate against another player Square drops the hammer on the offender without mercy.
…then again, in other MMOs you have the ability to thumb your nose at gatekeepers and use group-finding systems. So ‘logs’ have far less impact on a players ability to play the game. Thus, they complain less about them [in those games].
I haven’t paid attention to the LFG Channel to see if “vetting” is still a thing. Especially after GDKPocalypse. Though, I’ll just assume it is, because I’ve been around long enough to know how humans think.
Speaking of vetting, my favorite phase 1 meme was a gray parsing raid lead “checking logs” for BFD. Actually most recruitment posts seem to be a variation of that and “need 7/7 xp”
Like a lot of tools, they are misused and get a bad rap…
My current group is melee heavy, only 2 ranged dps atm.
The mage feels the need to mention, several times per raid, “man if I could just stand and cast my parse would be so much better”
Well ya, that goes without saying.
Just shut your mouth and push the button to stop the bomb dispenser.
Point is, he feels the need to say this, IMO that’s negativity brought on by worrying about your parse.
Meta was around in original…they labeled elitism/elitist…
Was the exact same thing. And if you didn’t go to icy veins or elitistjerks you weren’t playing right and would be gate kept from doing other stuff.
To think this is a new thing people do in the game has to be the dumbest thing I have heard.
This is now just everywhere is the difference…before it was more on high realms mainly.
Try playing back in the day on the alleria realm when premonition was number 1 guild in the world. If you tried to do anything on that realm you better get ready to be judged like crazy.
On most medium and low realms this is never usually a thing outside a few groups. But on high realms ITS ALWAYS BEEN HERE.
Is it unjust. Yes. Is it absurd. Yes. Does it really tell you anything more than someone knows how to read a website? Not in the slightest…