how are you being taken advantage of?
what are you talking about?
you think it was the elite players that asked for m+ gear rewards to be nerfed or ilvl reduced?
Do you realize how stupid you sound?
You say M+ is just Mythic players, but then also say Mythic players got the loot nerfed in M+.
WHY WOULD THEY WANT THE DROP RATE FOR THE CONTENT THEY DO LOWERED?
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Isn’t it a bit early to be drinking?
Willingly selling something to a willing customer isn’t taking advantage of anyone.
I know. That’s why I told him to make his own group; if he had, he’d see that range is really active with people farming valor.
yes absolutely, they profited and Blizzard did too, in Wow token sales.
of course Blizzard will listen to those who drummed up business.
My thing is? Prevent it from happening again, educate players on how to play the game without need of M+ dungeons
Quick, how do I equipped a WoW token in my main hand slot?
TELL ME YOUR SECRETS, GYPSY!
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this is some next level conspiracy theory.
step away from the alex jones show
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buy token, buy token, buy token, sell on AH
take 300k gold and pay for full AOTC N’zoth run.
–after AOTC run—
3-4 players paid guild 300k each
guild buys 5 Million gold Bronto mount for next Mythic raider who doesn’t have big boi
I always love the wow token conspiracy.
Low drop rates are to get people to buy tokens to buy runs of dungeons where … gear doesn’t drop because of low droprates. 
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You have yet to describe how this is a problem.
- People with gold wanted to buy a Mythic run.
- People with a Mythic run wanted gold.
- One group exchanged their gold for the other group’s services.
Literally no one took advantage of anyone.
Are you upset because you didn’t have enough gold to buy your way in?
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the best part is, his advice is awful.
all he has to say is “put some effort into finding a guild that is a fit for your personalty, play times and goals”
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And, as always, make your own group.
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Not really seeing this.
Especially when you load the title with “Greedy” raiders somehow limiting casuals.
And avoid M+?
I guess I need to apologize to my casual guild for dragging them along in a few M+ runs for upgrades from the vault. It’s really been holding us back.
not a problem at all, if people had full access to complete Heroic. I came in late, during last patch, so really I don’t know the full story.
But, M+ being a little too much for starting players seems alot like a stumbling block. I admit I was overwhelmed at first. But players can avoid M+ altogether, its not necessary for progression. My progression is going fine, all because I don’t waste time with M+ dungeons anymore.
there are 50 bosses to learn to do M+ dungeons, only 10 (and dance well with others) if you do Castle Narthia
Absolutely no one has claimed it is necessary for progression.
In fact, yesterday it was you who claimed one needed to gear up in M+ to do Normal raids and it was I that corrected you.
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^^ jerk move, yes, but come on. you basically don’t have any progression and here you are telling people not to engage in a significant part of the game because reasons, and that it won’t hurt their progression and using yours as some kind of proof of that?
come on
if you don’t want to do m+, don’t do it. but pretending it isn’t a significant source of gear is just dumb.
if you DO want to do m+, stop freaking pugging, find a group, guild, community or discord. make some friends. the entire m+ experience is drastically improved when you remove yourself from the (frankly quite awful) pug experience.
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I’m confused, is this a simple guide on how to get geared enough to join a heroic raid group?
do you not understand the people that buy carry runs for heroic raid don’t want to put the time and effort in game to get geared and get good so they can clear it themselves.
I mean they have enough money to buy wow tokens or enough time to farm tons of gold so clearly they are not so dumb as to not understand the basic path for gearing up.
so? I refocused, is that wrong? I realized the error of my ways, and want to share with others, what is so wrong. unless you are upset might not want players to know how to progress to AOTC ?
Why would I care about who gets AOTC? I don’t even have AOTC nor will I get it because I am not raiding anymore.
you got it apples, yes it is a guide to gear up to heroic, while completely avoiding M+ dungeons.
think of it this way, there are 50 bosses with raid mechanics in M+, there are only 10 in raid, with a bit of tweaking to re-learn as Heroic. M+ you have to relearn each week to adjust for the changes. It has gotten easier to avoid M+ dungeons altogether and focus on relevant content.
Guessing this is a troll seeing as how it still makes no sense. If you truly think people have laid traps in the game, you need more help than your poor advice. There are professionals for that sort of thing.
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