Super accurate. Vanilla Naxx was at least good and challenging. Naxx in wrath was… horrible horrible horrible
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Naxx came out plenty of time ahead of BC.
Blizz should have made Naxx gear just a tiny step down from TBC raid sets instead of making them obsolete to lvl 58 greens.
The large step up with gear stats into TBC was the worst idea ever. Very demoralizing for anyone who puts in a large effort to get their 60 epics.
Level 60 gear should have been able to last until 69 or 70
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Its far easier to look back and say things like this when you see the trajectory of what the game became. However, the issues that the game has currently would still need to be solved if they put another year of content into Classic. Balance and usefulness being a major issue even at that late stage of the game. While im sure people are going to enjoy the off spec classes like Shadow Ret Bear/Cat/owl druids Ele/Enhance Shammy. It is a Far cry from the viability they had in TBC. Not to mention even main stay classes getting more value out of other trees.
A future where there was more classic content would lead to probably another talent overhaul.
I do want to point out that for as many people that didnt bother with naxx, how many people were still stuck doing MC and BWL and ZG/AQ20 towards the end of Vanilla. Something i dont think will be an issue this time around as people have a far better understanding of raids as well as people going back WANT to do that content again.
Find me one Naxx item you replaced with a 58 green.
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Find me one Outland green that wasn’t overpowered compared to pre TBC
I disagree as they can implement DRs after T3 to prevent such things from being too powerful. Also what made the old gear so powerful was the set bonuses, procs and abilities. Which could continue for some time. Along with far better trinkets and professional gear, enchants etc.
The power of Vanilla gear still had room to grow. Same with Tier Sets.
A new expansions shouldn’t make BiS gear obsolete from the prior one. Especially not immediately. It was an horrific power creep combined with a raised level cap that just wasn’t needed.
A common green item should never replace an Epic BiS ever. Epics should replace Epics. Which should happen in the first raid of the new expansion. That would be healthy gear progression. When a new expansion launches the Pre Raid BiS should be the old expansions Epic gear. You should go back and Raid the old content for BiS to prepare.
You think they would learn after all the stat squishes. WoW is great when numbers are low and +1 to an item means something. It’s an upgrade. When Health Pools go over 10k the game just becomes bad. At no point should anyone’s HP pool ever reach 100k not to mention these insane numbers. It’s bad in ever way and creates a detachment to the experience. Eventually nothing matters.
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TBC was the most complete expansion launch we’ve ever had. I think they released it when they did because it was ready to go.
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Nice dodge on your own claim. While hellfire get you into the expansion and had great stats compared to most of the items in Vanilla, the stats on all the BIS items from naxx werent going to get replaced in hellfire.
So im wating for you to prove your claim about replacing items with hellfire level 58 greens.
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Because they had deadlines to meet. Upper management wouldn’t look very good if they committed to a date and missed it.
shrug you don’t need to talk to me, if you don’t want to.
I actually don’t care about being right or wrong here. I could be wrong, but you’d pointlessly have to prove that
Like when they pushed the game back?
point being it had 0 to do with the player base not seeing raids or whatever is being discussed on here. It has everything to do with business and the politics of it. They won’t stop a release because “oh well, people haven’t finished Naxx yet”.
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I already made my point when you were either to lazy or unwilling/unable to find an item. Its easy to make claims with no proof. I even gave you a pretty wide margin by saying find one.
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It wasn’t that TBC came out to soon. We should have been given a choice to go through the portal or not.
If you were not done with Vanilla yet you should have been able to stay on a Vanilla server.
Now, we will finally get the Vanilla experience that most of us wanted, and if they choose to make TBC servers we can choose whether or not to stay in Classic or go to TBC.
I agree with the OP’s sentiment 100 percent though!
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I used the BWL trinket to tank our realm first Illidan kill. It had passive Block Value and Block Rating as well as Defense and Illidan attacked very fast. Thunderfury had to be nerfed because it was going to be better than any weapon in all of TBC.
I’m pretty sure I remember tank healers using this in Sunwell:
There were other items from Vanilla that were good in TBC but I think I’ve made my point.
Cool 
Thanks 
Both lazy and unwilling.
Again, I could be wrong. But who the heck actually cares? You do, enough to keep replying to me, but, not enough to prove it
The point he was making still stands though. 99% of the player base didn’t have ANY Naxx gear, never mind BIS. So 99% of players were replacing their hard earned purples with greens in Hellfire. I was one of them, and it killed the game for me.
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Many people didn’t raid and had no reason to play at some point.
Classic was and still is “raid or die”.
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I care enough to call out people when they make claims that are wrong in order to sway an argument. Its not that hard to say Naxx outside of a few items were clearly outpaced by TBC gear and come to the same effect in your argument.
That wasnt the point at all. the claim was quite clearly Naxx items replaced with level 58 greens. Not sure how it was that hard to understand what he said.
I was one of them as well where i replaced all my gear, but in the end i got more gear i would replace. That is like saying Man i feel bad for that T1 gear i replaced with T2 gear. Damn i feel bad for that T2 gear i replaced with AQ gear… and so on.
Entirely the opposite. I prefer the experiences had and the gear is the bonus. Though judging from this thread i guess that makes me the minority. Though i still call out a bad argument when i feel like it.
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