Was Arthas Undead During Warcraft 3?

https://classic.battle.net/war3/undead/units/deathknight.shtml
Warcraft 3 lore stated that death knights retained their humanity, meaning that they were alive, but had their souls bound to Ner’zhul through their vampiric runeblades.

The Lich King offered them untold power in exchange for their services and loyalty. The weary, vengeful warriors accepted his dark pact, and although they retained their humanity, their twisted souls were bound to his evil will for all time.

The Rise of the Lich King depicted all other death knights as undead, but made Arthas the exception. He was as a death knight described as neither alive nor dead, but somewhere between both - a description that would fit the label of ‘undead’, but he hadn’t died yet. And it ends with him being turned fully undead once he puts on the Crown of Domination.

THat doesn’t mean they’re not undead. That just means they are enslaved and can’t go against Ner’zhul’s orders. Kinda like that one death knight that still used Holy magic, the OG 4th horsemen. In the raid he kept trying to tell you his weaknesses and how sorry he was but he was forced to fight.

Well that is why I said he was was more like frodo or a Nez’ghul as someone else stated that he was being drained very slowly.

It depends on how you define undeath.
What makes you an undead?

Does it depend on the soul?

In the physical universe, the souls of the undead (Forsaken, death knights, or ghouls) are imperfectly attached to their bodies; the dark magic that sustains them is a buffer that prevents their souls from properly joining with their bodies.

If true: Arthas lost his soul when he touched Frostmourne. He was undead during WCIII.


Or does it depend on the body?

Apparently, his circulatory system lasted until he merged with the Lich King.
In this case, he wasn’t undead during WCIII.


Or both at the same time?
Then again, he didn’t become undead until he merged.

Them retaining their humanity is what sets them apart from the other forces in the Scourge’s army.

Sir Zeliek was undead, as was most of the other Horsemen till Rivendare (and he’s a maybe, given the death knight lore we’ve gotten since) replaced Mograine.

That would make him alive and living, but corrupted.

Them retaining their humanity is what sets them apart from the other forces in the Scourge’s army.

Yes, that is the point. Like they retain their souls but they are bound. That is the gist of it. When they say they retained their humanity, that means they have still have the capacity to lead, give orders, think for themselves but they are still bound and controlled. They aren’t mindless scourge.

A mindless undead wouldn’t be able to go by themselves into a town, raise an army, destroy the farms and kill their leaders and extract information. But an undead who still has their “humanity” can because they can think.

My exact point.

That would make him quasi undead if anything.

Except both Liches and Crypt Lords are capable of doing exactly this and unlike the death knights they are explicitly described as undead. Necromancers are also described as having retained their humanity after making their pact with Ner’zhul, meaning they are alive. Acolytes are also described as being alive.

Raised undead.

Living, but corrupted by his runeblade into a state that is reminiscent of undeath but he hasn’t achieved true undeath yet.

lol whatever, you can believe what you want to believe. You already made up your mind.

https://classic.battle.net/war3/undead/units/deathknight.shtml

Death Knights were once virtuous defenders of Humanity. However, once the Paladin ranks were disbanded by the failing Alliance, many of these holy warriors traveled to the quarantined lands to ease the suffering of those left within the plague-ridden colonies. Though the Paladins were immune to disease of any kind, they were persecuted by the general populace who believed that they had been infected by the foul plague. A small band of Paladins, embittered by society’s cruelty, traveled north to find the plague’s source. These renegade Paladins succumbed to bitter hatred over the course of their grueling quest. When they finally reached Ner’zhul’s icy fortress in Northrend they had become dark and brooding. The Lich King offered them untold power in exchange for their services and loyalty. The weary, vengeful warriors accepted his dark pact, and although they retained their humanity, their twisted souls were bound to his evil will for all time. Bestowed with black, vampiric Runeblades and shadowy steeds, Death Knights serve as the Scourge’s mightiest generals.

https://classic.battle.net/war3/undead/units/lich.shtml

During his mortal life as the Warchief of the Orcish Horde of Draenor; Ner’zhul commanded a number of Orcish Warlocks and Shamans. Yet, when these wicked sorcerers were captured by Kil’jaeden and the Legion after the destruction of Draenor, they were transformed into twisted aberrations of their former selves. These Liches possessed tremendous magical powers, yet their immortal, undead bodies were bound to the iron will of Ner’zhul. Since the Liches showed unswerving loyalty to their master, Ner’zhul granted them control over the furious elements of the cold north. Now, Liches wield frost magic along with their own considerable necromantic spells.

https://classic.battle.net/war3/undead/units/cryptlord.shtml

These ancient, evil behemoths were once the mighty kings of the subterranean spider kingdom of Azjol-Nerub. Though the Nerubians fell before the wrath of the Lich King during the fabled War of the Spider, the insidious Crypt Lords were swayed over to the Lich King’s ranks and granted considerable power and the immortality of undeath. Now the giant, thundering beasts serve as the Lich King’s mightiest warriors and the guardians of the Scourge’s holdings in Northrend.

My mind is made up by the Warcraft 3 description that explicitly names two of the Scourge’s three “undead” heroes as undead while the third, the death knight, is said to have retained their humanity even though their will is bound to the Lich King through their vampiric runeblades. Both necromancers and acolytes are also described as being alive despite being undead in terms of game mechanics.
https://classic.battle.net/war3/undead/units/necromancer.shtml

Though they retained their Humanity after making a pact with death, Necromancers became the most terrifying agents of the Scourge. These dark, insidious men were once thought to be aspiring geniuses by the Magocracy of Dalaran. However, their insatiable lust to delve into the secrets of the dark arts drove them to forsake their very souls. Ner’zhul, the Lich King, granted these malevolent sorcerers true power over the dead in exchange for their loyalty and obedience. The shadowy Necromancers have the power to command various types of Undead and even spread the foul undead plague as well.

https://classic.battle.net/war3/undead/units/acolyte.shtml

Acolytes are human beings who have given themselves over to the power of Ner’zhul and the Scourge. These bitter, fanatical men and women will stop at nothing to promote the Lich King’s will and maintain the secrecy and dominance of the Cult of the Damned. They view their own deaths and the possibility of becoming undead as the ultimate rewards for their service to Ner’zhul.

Yeah, not going to read that. I already said you’re allowed to believe whatever you want.

According to some writings the moment he picked up Frostmourne, his soul was absorbed by and united with the blade.

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Arthas killed his people and the Knights of the Silver Hand during the first and second missions and then went to the High Elves at Quel’thalas at third, fourth and fifth campaigns and onward into Alterac Mountains with the Orc Warlocks of the Second War, Dalaran, and so on.

Wild how “undeath = No humanity” no wonder the scarlets keep getting full

This isn’t true.
They had wall papers of before and after Arthas during WC3.
lol.
https://i.imgur.com/EbAFZ4p.jpeg

Your point? The acolyte doesn’t look any more alive and they are stated to be living still.
https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Acolyte_(Warcraft_III)#/media/File:BTNAcolyte.png
Arthas and the other death knights were corrupted by their runeblades, but they weren’t fully undead. They along with the necromancers and acolytes are the only Scourge units that are either said to be explicitly alive or retain their humanity in a way no other Scourge unit is.

They aren’t Arthas.

True.

They just wield the exact same powers as Arthas, have a similar backstory to Arthas, and look even more undead than he does with pitch black eyes despite being alive whereas his went virtually unchanged.