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Fyi ive camped gy more in a pug than i ever have in premades.
You either wrote this backwards, or you have only liTROLLY been in precisely 1 premade ever.
Which one is it? This is rhetorical. See below.
PS, I’ve seen you enough in game to know the only GY camping you’ve done is as a ghost
How players interact with it is not the same. You cannot divorce how players respond to a system from its resulting experience.
The ability to premade BGs needs to be gutted and unceremoniously buried under salted earth for the sake of promoting its intended and historic experience.
Do you mean to dissolve wargames between premades as well?
No. I’m referring to “premading” in the practical sense (in Classic) where it’s a vehicle for griefing and sociopathy. There’s no issue with the three remaining, genuine premade teams spending the rest of eternity taking turns sparring with one another.
It’s pretty much this. Meta culture is the norm now. Streamers main lining the exact most optimal ways to play every aspect of the game. Everyone’s on discord so easy communication. Meta is a hundred times more important than it was. So it needs to be a much larger variable in how a game is designed.
The proof is the fact that it was more likely to see a pug years ago, where as now every game is a premade for the most part. And not the kind of premade you saw years ago where it was just guilds playing together. Now it’s just stacked OP classes with the perfect meta specs and gear.
The game has to adapt to this like providing things like a solo exclusive queue. Otherwise they just hemorrhage players.
The game has to adapt in order to preserve be loving playstyles.
Three?
There’s only like 100 something people playing tonight, and that’s like a small portion of the available pool who is busy tonight or whatever
You downplaying that there are players who enjoy good games doesn’t help your case, and I’m glad aggrend shut individuals like you down. You don’t really matter in the grand scheme of things, as wsg is nothing but a grind for bracers and then you’ll never be seen again
WSG - nothing wrong. All is ok.
Outside of a hyper-minority of likely not even average players, people who enjoy competitive games are not playing Classic or SoD for its competitive experience. The vast, vast majority of premades in Classic are and have been formed with the intention of griefing PuGs.
I wasn’t even being hyperbolic. The likely outcome of segregating premades into their own queue is that queue dying off entirely, just like twinks did in times of yore. It’ll hold on for a nominal period and then just disappear entirely once the literal 2-3 teams still showing up for the once-per-week skirmishes get bored of fighting one another.
If the cancer that is premades is excised from BGs I will likely put in a few games weekly for as long as SoD runs, as real random BGs are solid casual fun. If SoD were my primary game I would put in more. As it stands I’m not putting in any, even for the sake of the reputation grind, because I don’t participate in griefing.
Yea, you have said this before.
However, we have already had a discussion about metrics, like rated v non rated and how that’s irrelevant regarding player power.
You don’t quite strike me as a competitive player, rather someone who talks about it instead.
If rated BGs came to sod, I imagine you would still be where I imagine you to be - at the bottom. Just like you imagine us to be. Rank 1 arena players partaking in wargames, because it isn’t competitive.
Those honor farmers are doing what they do for Efficiency. Your claim of griefing is just as hominem. If anything, you should be batting for a rated mode, that incentivizes participation by being more attractive than farming pugs. I have made a post about this in the past. But because you are non competitive, you won’t suppprt it
We disagree on the issue overall, but this is spot on. They’re just playing efficiently. There’s nothing wrong with that at all. Most players don’t enjoy playing games when they know they’re not playing them efficiently.
But this is also the reason why efficiency should fall in line with how most players like playing.
You’ll need to elaborate here.
Then you shouldn’t trust your perception much. Competitive gaming is my hobby, and has been for a solid 15 years now. I play non-competitive games as well, like SoD, but some competitive game or another has nearly always been my primary time sink.
If rated BGs came to SoD and miraculously it drew a playerbase, and that playerbase included myself, I would likely occupy the 99th percentile like I have in every game I’ve played for over a decade. The players who currently take Classic PvP seriously would likely be below the 50th percentile, and I base this on the idea that there is a diametric schism between players who enjoy real competition and players who enjoy mindlessly investing time into specifically avoiding competition. Competitive players like myself spend our time getting better, and griefers like yourself spend your time avoiding the need to get better.
My reasoning is incredibly sound. Yours is just based on you being salty over how aware I am of how tragically pathetic your ilk are. Certainly there are exceptions, and there are going to be competitive players who are also griefers, but on average the behavior of griefers causes them to favor a path that skirts around excellence and even manages to miss mediocrity. Cheating is a tacit admission that you aren’t good enough and that you could never be good enough.
It isn’t. Being accurate in the case of describing negative and anti-social behavior is going to inherently be negative.
Still griefing. Treating other human beings like resource nodes isn’t less sociopathic. Corporations never set out with the intention to pollute the surrounding lakes, but the fact that they were willing makes the people who ran them disgusting, sub-human filth, just like most premade players in Classic.
I fully support it. I don’t care at all what shape the segregation of premades from normal players takes, so long as it happens. The fact that rated BGs in SoD would also die off is neither here nor there, and my awareness of that likely eventuality doesn’t mean I don’t support the system being in place.
again, you’re telling me stories.
Nothing you have given me resembles your successes, and you claiming you will farm everyone should they put a metric in is just more stories.
Surely you have friends that are just as good as you, who can put us in our place. We would know you would be backing your word.
You must have a stream, no?
See, you’re typing a lot of words, but the reality is skilled players are self-motivated and seek to improve their success on their own. So your whole argument just doesn’t work. I’ve never heard of truly good at something who just kinds of lies down and cries their eyes out when they have a means of improving their situation. That’s not how it works.
Try a different argument, that one doesn’t work.
Because I’m going to call his bluff. We are about to exit the story telling phase.
I want to see his next response
So your bold argument is that I’m lying. Lol.
Ah, yes, in a world where I’ve just told my old friend that I can’t afford to put time into a M+ character to play with him outside of PvP in retail, I’m going to expand my SoD operations to tryharding in WSG.
Yo, what is Classic players’ obsession with streaming? Why would I have a stream?
Players who are skilled don’t generally put their time into anti-competitive games. Like, this isn’t some fringe notion. There’s a reason non-normalized PvP is a wildly fringe subset of PvP games.
Thats a beautiful story, and I can already see your weak spot.
Now let’s start getting down to the nitty gritty. We’ll start getting down to the proof.
So, what genre are you dominating in?
You’re a pro gamer by hobby, surely you have a stream for receipts?
Evidence are a key element to proof.
Which genre are you dominating in, what name do you run by, and where can we find your receipts?
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Aren’t you playing SoD? I don’t… what are you trying to argue here bud? Lol.
You say you’re a pro gamer and you’re playing SoD the post over you start saying pro gamers don’t play SoD.
You’re flailing dude. Take the L and move on, lol.
He will keep pushing and I’ll keep hitting.
Pro gamers don’t need to squirm. They drop the receipts and if they’re actually what this guy claims, we don’t even need to ask. (inb4 alt account replies) (the alt typing now)
Rofl.
Am I supposed to have a portfolio with proof of everything I’ve done over the last ten years?
My current primary game is Solo Shuffle in retail WoW, but I’ve hovered around the 99th percentile in Wrath arena, then HotS, then League of Legends, then Lost Ark, and then for the last year in Dragonflight, with some more abstract successes in games like New World sprinkled in. The better question is what do I get for satisfying your childish request? Because I’ve actually given into my inherently optimistic nature and acquiesced twice to this request in the last six weeks or so, and I gotta tell you the nothingburger I knew would come of it is exactly what I got.
You could absolutely find my retail main if you wanted to, but what do I get in return for making it easy?
Reading not your strong suit, eh?
“people who enjoy competitive games are not playing Classic or SoD for its competitive experience.”
I play SoD for the same reason I’ve ever played Classic, which is to play with friends.
While streaming has become more accessible for anyone to do, I’d never use it as a hinge of whether someone is good or not, or capable of competing with pros inside or outside of a sanctioned publicized tournament.
It’s whatever regarding this guy you’re commenting to, but not everyone has to be internet famous. Some, actually many of the best players in a lot of competitive games got to their standing rather quietly and not verbose when they decided to step out into the public sphere of knowledge. Some people like their anonymity for completely normal and valid reasons, and for some, too much of that gets wiped away to be worth broadcasting on the internet about their skill in a video game that will be irrelevant and forgotten, even mocked and discarded in a decade or twos time.
Classic wow is one of the last places anyone would be looking up to catch compelling and competitive content, especially in this iteration of it. Anyway.