Warsong Gulch Flag Carrier Debuff - where is the pushback?

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so a group of 19 twinks are pushing to get blizzard to bring back focused assault and brutal assault back into warsong gulch in the bug report forums.

they are pushing for this change because in this bracket, they ban grenades and speed potions and chase travel form druids for an hour at a time and call that fun.

So far there has only been their copy/paste support cult posting and bumping the thread to get it traction for a dev to notice, they’ve posted it inside the bug report forum so it will go mostly unnoticed by the general population.

Now if they were to implement Focused assault/Brutal Assault, the FC could be taken out 1v1 in a normal pug match. there is no real strategy or coordination required when this debuff is in play.

To bring back a change for one bracket to play how they wanna play for eternity(no consumes lel) while simultaneously screwing other brackets that play just fine as is, does noone else think that this is a bad idea? let us know your thoughts below.

do you want focused assault / brutal assault added to your bracket? or is this a bad design to be implemented into wsg?

i’m sure alot of people would not play wsg competitively if this change were to go through.

let’s hear what the majority of players want, not just the level 19 twink community which uses no consumes in wsg.

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The real problem is increased movement speed buffs that were previously not available at Level 19.

The ‘Focused Assault’ and’ Brutal Assault’ debuffs are not really needed now that WSG has a 25-minute time limit.

I am a Druid (with x2 Level 79s, x2 Level 49s, and x6 29s)

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Reimplementing the ‘Focused Assault’ and’ Brutal Assault’ debuffs really only benefits the Level 19 bracket. The actual fix would be to remove Druid travelform at 19, but I dont expect that’s gonna happen ever. Tangentially, the Level 29 bracket during Level 60 WoW was loldumb because Shaman (Ghost Wolf) were only available to Horde and travelform wasn’t available unit Level 30.

Reimplementing the ‘Focused Assault’ and’ Brutal Assault’ debuffs would not be an improvement for every other bracket of WSG (including Level 80). I understand why Level 19 players would want those debuffs back, but Blizzard has never operated in such a way (e.g. adding the ‘Focused Assault’ and’ Brutal Assault’ debuffs for the Level 19 bracket only).

Also – I really hate carrying the flag in a WSG PUG.

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Twinks and twinking do not matter. “Competitive wsg” LOL

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https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23440112/introducing-the-world-of-warcraft-classic-summer-bowl

dont forget they had a tournament for wsg with a cash prize in classic, and people wargame wsg for competitive play to this day. even outside of 19 bracket

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I see no problem with it being added. Wouldn’t be bothered either way tbh.

19s is definitely a bracket for losers though.

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It has a time limit but it can still go on forever it the timer ends in a draw

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the problem is, in any pug game the fc has no chance to survive no matter how good they are, adding debuff shortens game length, reduces strategy and coordination required to end the game, making for a lackluster pvp experience for all brackets as far as wsg goes.

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and anyone cares about a lvl 19 bracket wsg because…?

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the 19 twink community is trying to push blizzard to add flag carrier debuff to all brackets, not only their own.

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oh all 50 of them?

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IMO this doesn’t seem worth changing from how it is now.

The bug report forum seems like an odd place to campaign something that is not a bug. There have been many, many changes that aren’t bugs either. Hopefully, the thread just gets ignored like most of them do. I’d rather actual bugs get fixed over this any day.

The OP of that thread is also REALLY exaggerating how many people are unsubbing over this.

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i never said anything about people unsubbing, i said people would stop playing wsg competitively as much as they do now with wargame 10v10s on and off ptr.

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I don’t like the idea of adding this.

19s are unique exactly because it’s so hard to kill anyone, especially the FC.

That’s the whole point. There’s an army of 5-9 weak but tanky players chasing around 1 giant, going on a long journey of jumps and jukes.

If you ask me, there’s a good variety of gameplay styles within the different brackets, and adding this would make each of them less unique.

It would also remove the skill and impact a good FC can have on a game.

If you’re playing the 19 bracket, the first cap wins. That’s just how it is. It’s do or die, and I like that uniqueness.

If 19s are complaining while NOT using consumes, it seems an easy fix to simply allow consumes. They are cheaper than they have ever been (up to 10x cheaper than in vanilla), and consumes have always been used by the best players in public games, regardless of what noobs say about them, as blizzard’s rules allow consumes. BG’s are not arenas. Battlegrounds were designed with consumes in mind.

If 19s are complaining WHILE using consumes, then I ask why are you playing the bracket to begin with? 19s were appealing previously because they were easy to make, but in Wrath, building any twink is much easier than in previous expansions, because of xpoff and other reasons, so why don’t you just play a different bracket with a lower time to kill, like 39 or 29?

Back in real wrath, I quit twinks because of this debuff, as it felt like I had no impact on the game anymore when playing FC.

TL;DR: Don’t add. Simply use consumes or play a different bracket.

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Sorry, I didn’t mean you. I read the thread you linked and the OP of that (i didn’t say the name as to not call anyone out) talked about people unsubbing here:

IMO the bug report forum should be used for real bugs. If they really want this they should post on places like here where there can be a discussion like this thread. I do not agree with those posters campaigning for changes there.

I’m on your side on this overall.

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100%

perfectly stated.

oh i get you, sorry :slight_smile:

theres definitely not people unsubbing due to the lack of wsg fc debuff.

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It’s funny to think of players trying to ban anything from BGs. Only Blizzard can realistically do this. I am for the stacking flag debuff though since the timer doesn’t work when there’s a tie. A match needs to end when the time runs out, no matter what the caps are at. If the timer isn’t going to do its job then let us leave without a 15m “deserter” debuff.

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tie games are there to incentivize the team to better coordinate a flag return, if they can’t do that then they may as well afk and get the 15m deserter debuff or just take the loss, some people aren’t good enough to play wsg the way its meant to be played.

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99% of endgame guilds would absolutely get farmed in twinking for any bracket.

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It is a bug.