This. You’d only be competing with a Ret Paladin, so you’re basically guaranteed to get your weapons.
Warglaives are fairly rare and Fury swaps to Titan’s Grip in WotLK anyway. You’re better off having some SWP two-handers going into WotLK than having Warglaives that are totally useless to you a couple months after obtaining them.
I look at Glaives in tbc like I do thunderfury in classic… do you ever see a rogue with a TF? Sure ya do so you will see wars with Glaives. Also I predict seeing way more glaives for TBC classic than vanilla. Way more guilds are gonna be destroying BT this time around.
Rogues aren’t terrible in Classic.
Big difference.
Arms is the only DPS spec that will come to raid for warriors for any guild looking to run smoothly and no memes.
Tank situation:
1 Prot
1 Protadin
1 Bear
DPS situation:
1 Arms
1 Rogue
3 Hunters
4 Locks
3 Mages
1 Elemental
1 Enhance
1 Boomkin
1 Spriest
Healers:
1 Holydin
1 Priest
3 R Shaman - 1 will have an elemental off spec for farm content
1 R Druid
And that’s your standard TBC raid comp for the entire expansion. Of course you could do something different. But, why would you? Bringing a fury warrior just brings less DPS and literally nothing added to the raid.
There’s just no point.
i’d bring at least 3bm and 1 sv hunter. no rogue, no prot war and another feral for a second innervate and brez and ot. they do decent dmg
God I love how people are already trying to give TBC sweat stains.
This community is great.
Great like a rotting whale waiting to burst on the beach.
I dont really care about the comp. Just fun to mix and match buffs. i’d take anyone that showed up on the reg and brought consumes. Them being more a likeable person in discord is more important than the deeps to me.
And that’s how I anticipate most people will actually play TBC since basically all class specs are viable.
You’ll only have the world first racers doing these specific comps. People were perfectly capable doing Sunwell with Ret paladins, Marks hunters, ect ect…
This setup means only two Paladin blessings and no fire-and-forget Judgments due to no Retribution, along with 2% damage aura and 3% crit debuff.
Pretty sure everyone is going to want Salvation, Kings, and Might/Wisdom at least, not counting Blessing of Light and Blessing of Sanctuary for the Tanks.
Likewise, Shaman are fantastic to be sure for Bloodlust/Heroism, but it isn’t as if every party needs the huge pump up of Haste and if you’re cycling groups mid-fight to benefit your best setup group, there’s diminishing returns there as well. Priests and Druids can cover AoE healing without much issue so if you’re not rocking one Shaman per party you’re not up a creek either.
There’s a difference between going sweaty and describing what a lot of guilds are going to do to optimize.
You’ll need a prot warrior for bosses. There’s mechanics that you just need to be prot for and the other tanks don’t have it in their tool kit to survive. Illidan’s shear comes to mind. Same with shield bash on ROS.
Not to mention Warriors have the best single target threat and mitigation in the raid content. They also have the best survival CDs. They will be the tank of choice for most raid encounters.
Protadin obviously is the tank of choice for AOE tanking, and add tanking. Can you MT with them? Of course. Should they be given full respect of a MT? Of course.
Reality is though, you want a warrior and feral for survivability over a protadin in most progression fights.
End game well gear protdadin is like 19-20k health, while feral and warrior are 22.5-24k. You need that in sunwell, except on felmyst and twins.
u dont have to have a war for anything in bc. pallies can become uncrushable. Druids are the best threat. Threat doesnt matter with hunters doing MD on cd. Most classes get a threat drop. i’d take a bear for their EH and massive armor, and use a pally for the 2h melee crush bosses. All u gotta do is put the ele in the pally group for wrath totem threat and chain md. Threat is easy in bc
You will likely wipe on illidan quite a bit if you don’t use a warrior. Which wouldn’t be a big deal - but - you’re going to waste 20 min of down time to the wipe.
It isn’t about the crush, it’s about avoiding the issues to begin with. There’s just nothing in the bear/protadin tool kit to deal with it.
And I want thoridal stars fury. Obviously a rogue weapon because hunters have quivers, and quivers increase bow attack speed so they’d lose out on a lot of damage just to take this bow. I’ll be doing them a favor by taking it off their hands.
The reason Illidan is dangerous is because Shear can’t miss, which removes a significant portion of Defense’s value.
Shield Block has an absurdly high amount of block chance built into it, almost guaranteeing combat table coverage.
A decently geared Protection Paladin can reach that cap, as well. Holy Shield exists, if you weren’t aware.
The real issue is that Protection Paladin sacrifices quite a deal of threat generation to obtain that cap whereas Warriors have it built into their toolkit with Shield Block.
As for Bear… they can reach armor cap in T4 gear. They have 3-5k more HP than Paladins or Warriors, and they have upwards of 70% Dodge in T6 gear. It’ll be fine.
I’m sure you’re kidding, but just in case you aren’t…
Thori’dal increases attack speed equal to having a quiver equipped.
I don’t know why they dont think a pally would have a hard time. 102.4% avoidance with holyshield up wont be that hard for a prot pally that been main tainking.
Not kidding at all. It’s clearly a rogue weapon and the attack speed was added to the bow so rogues can get faster bow attacks off in pvp.
I wish you luck in your acquisition. lol
Thank you for proving my point. Guilds will give up tons of single target threat, and potentially wipe wasting hours on bosses that a prot warrior is better suited for.
Always appreciate the forum back up. Adds to my day. You’re correct, it will be fine. But, fine doesn’t mean ideal or good. 99% of guilds will run with a prot warrior simply because it is easier and better. I didn’t say it was impossible not to.
Edit: and yes, they can be uncrushable but holy shield only adds 30% chance to block vs sheild block which is 75% chance in the warrior. Because of the threat issues and need for spell power as a tankadin it can make getting the extra block chance more challenging.
Your argument is that it is possible. Mine is that of course it is, but it is more challenging and less desirable, and therefore for many guilds not worth doing with a prot warrior is technically better for many fights. You’re not gimping a raid by raiding with one of each tank type, but you can certainly make the point that the raid is being gimped by running double feral/prot or double prot/feral.
Agreed.
I think it’s important to understand why the meta forms, though, and not perpetuate misconceptions about the state of things. People don’t use Prot Warriors on Illidan because a Prot Paladin can’t reach the CTC cap. That’s just silly.