Careful looking only at tooltip damage. It won’t show you “actual” damage because warrior has a few things that increase damage taken. Which is part of why arms feels like a wet noodle sometimes. You need uptime to get effects rolling and that’s not happening on certain classes.
And overpower has a higher base damage because mortal strike gets buffed by overpower/talents/sharpen blade.
I’ve seen 150k+ MS when the planets align on a target. Overpower is never going to hit that hard.
i’ve never considered that arms warriors need buffs shortly after running me down and watching them be nearly unkillable.
Unholy DK is better than Arms Warrior in almost every single way right now lol come on
Oh neat, that’s like the same damage as one of my ambushes! And still like 5x the damage of a sinister strike. I see no issue here.
Seriously though, did warrior get nerfed or something? They seemed fine in 10.1.
To ignore representation is ignoring objective data. Even if a class isn’t played as much as another people have to reach a certain rating to “represent” the class.
Warrior (fury and arms) have excellent damage, mobility, MS, and CC. They problem is people don’t use these abilities strategically and just zug so it CAN feel bad. Warrior has more than enough tools to get consistent uptime and can be incredibly oppressive to play against in the hands of a skilled player.
tbh anything to bring us back to melee meta
i need casters + hpal like i need a shot in the head
Like I said, Arms isn’t really in a ‘bad spot’ but it’s damage profile is off imo. Too much of our damage is coming from rend or deep wounds.
When you’ve been on these forums as long as I have, you’ll see people try to use representation to prove both ‘it’s not broken/it’s broken/it needs buffs/it need nerfs’; it’s really never a good way to prove if a class is broken or not (at least not on that data alone). There are too many factors.
i’ve never considered that arms warriors need buffs shortly after running me down and watching them be nearly unkillable.
Warriors aren’t really in need of a “buff” imo. Their damage is there but it comes from the wrong sources for arms specifically which can make them basically useless in certain cases.
It often feels like we’re back to the rock paper scissors of vanilla. There’s a decent number of classes that are borderline impossible for us to deal with due to mobility and having so much damage stuck in bleeds.
Get all your bleeds up on a rogue to watch him cloak of shadow it off feels bad.
Blizzard needs to do more like what they did with boomkin and move damage sources around. Tune back the bleeds and move that damage into core abilities like overpower/slam/MS.
My guy can’t handle it when Wars are only A tier
Just had a game were my highest mortal strike hit for 45k. I cast 18 mortal strikes.
People tend to play either a class that they love or what’s popular/powerful. So representation and popularity usually go hand in hand.
I don’t play warrior so i won’t speak to how the mechanics of the damage feels but their overall and burst damage is currently more than sufficient.
Yeah, prob. What’s going on here is that warriors have been strong for well, soooo long, that they’ve forgot what it’s like to not be pretty good vs everything. Now they have a true counter and it feels weird. Not only that, but their counter is fotm.
I’m not sure you’re interpreting the data correctly. If we look at 2400+ shuffle, arms is the 4th represented melee spec.
Theres also twice the amount of boomkins and shadow priest above 2400.
Keep in mind that the arms ladder has stayed stagnant for the past week. A lot of folks got their CR before the changes to HPal and boomkin.
Stop it Pecklez.
Honestly just need to apply the same logic here that gets thrown on everyone else when they ask for buffs. Warrior is like probably half of all the DPS I queue into, they’re represented heavily at all levels of rating (and I don’t care about the representation doesn’t mean anything replies, when you see something represented at all levels fairly high on the charts they’re fine). Warrior does not need buffs just because they aren’t leaping out the gate and winning games in 30 seconds. Half the PVP seasons I’ve ever played they’ve been insane, it’s just your turn to be A tier. Suck it up.
Sub 10% chance you could have hit someone for 67.5k that would have been wild!
Do I really need to say it?
If you think you can put out something I won’t be able to counter, by all means. As a matter of fact, I’d love to be wrong.