This thread is spot on. I can’t speak to arms very well, but as Fury it is extremely frustrating not being able to bring anything special to M+. Our damage is in a decent position, but it’s still the damage you’d expect from a spec that brought more utility to the group.
We ultimately are competing against rogues and DHs for spots in M+, both of whom do comparable damage. Our closest comparison, the DH, does basically the same damage, but much better burst, has double charge baseline, aoe stun baseline, a great party wide CD, and a minute long cc.
Mobility has always been a defining trait of warriors, and in PVE it just isn’t anymore without serious sacrifices elsewhere that our competitors don’t have to make. Double time needs to be baseline at this point, and we need all mobility talents moved to a single row so that we can choose HOW we want to be mobile, not IF we want to be mobile. We need an aoe stun, the fact of the matter is, if you’re bringing any dps warrior, you’re probably dropping a DH, and the aoe stun is essential to success in M+. At this point I don’t care if its baseline or talented, we just have to have it. I don’t particularly care how this affects pvp. Intimidating shout is nearly useless in pve, they could get rid of it for all I care if we get an aoe stun. Theres tons of other solutions to potential pvp issues, they just have to pick one.