Question: Are these events IC and primarily for characters who are of the community mentioned, or are they primarily OOC meets for said community?
Thanks in advance.
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… So homophobia should be assumed to be IC, and harmless? I’m not sure I understand.
This sentence is kind of wonky, so forgive me if I’m misunderstanding- you’re insinuating that people are going to show up and pretend to support the LGBTQ community? But not really support it? What are you getting at exactly?
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Sounds to me like he’s trying to justify being a bigoted jerk with “It’s just RP dood!” There’s a point where it’s clear it’s not “just RP” and claiming that is an insult to all the real RPers.
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If it is indeed “well some homophobia is just IC”, that’s not an excuse to me. Or most people. IC homophobia is an outlet to be openly bigoted, and try to evade social repercussions.
Not sure if hot take or not: IC homophobia serves no purpose other than to provide actual homophobes the ability to say “it’s just IC bro stop being so sensitive”
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Considering that homophobia is headcanon in Warcraft (find me one instance of it), you’re going out of your way to be “IC” homophobic. At which point most people are forced to ask- why are you so intent on doing this?
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Homophobia IC is… Uh.
Not good, putting it lightly.
Like, people are worried about people loving the same gender or people of the same race having different skin tones, while there’s flesh-eating undead and world-burning demons.
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Reminds me of the blood elf nonsense honestly
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Something something “Muh make believe entity population.”
I remember an amani troll calling a blood elf too fruity and then calling me disrespectful when I objected.
I’ve been subject to IC homophobia.
Never, ever turned out to be done by people who are actually quite nice OOC.
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I always put ‘LGBTQ+ Friendly’ In my profiles. It just feels like the default right thing to do. When it comes to if it upsets people I just take a Dr Seuss approach:
“Those Who Mind Don’t Matter, and Those Who Matter Don’t Mind”
I am hoping these events go well. It is good to see recognition publicly within games like this. Blizzard itself is still working on getting over the fact it isn’t writing to please mildly homophobic white teen-aged males alone these days, so I suppose it falls to the players to push that along.
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An excellent way of thinking.
I’m probably a bit contrarian in that I am broadly, hypothetically okay with RPing a crummy mindset of some kind, though I think foisting it on strangers in walkup is a horrible idea. Not everyone wants to be part of the story of how your character learns to do better.
I’ll also sign on the “where does IC homophobia even come from” argument. Someone determined to justify it will figure something out, but it’s danged speculative.
Anyway, I never considered flagging myself as LGBTQ+ friendly because I had heard some guilds labeled as such were in fact not so great. I’m guessing people haven’t had that same issue on the individual player level?
Like most great causes, the longer it is around, the faster people who should not have any influence on the subject matter will rush to declare themselves the flagship individual for that cause.
There’s a lot of good folks on this server who just want to play a character whose gender identity and/or sexuality isn’t constant being hammered on by people who believe the old tropes about the homosexual/transgender/genderqueer communities.
There’s a handful of idiots who think declaring themselves the current ‘trendy’ cause means they get a free ticket to being failures of human beings and will scream victim and martyr as they ride the train-wreck they made from good will and tolerance all the way off the cliff.
The fact you have to declare yourself LFBTQ-friendly is depressing in its own right, since most guilds already are such, it is just a handful of troggs on both sides of the fence ruining it for everybody else.
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I can see the guild leader’s PoV through this only because I’ve had the same experience in two guilds, on two separate servers. Both guilds had LGBTQ members, one of them was the guild leader. It never came up.
That is until in BOTH guilds, they decided to include that in the recruitment. What happened was that almost immediately pretty much ONLY LGBTQ applications started coming in. I can only assume some people see the tag and assume that’s the purpose of the guild. They may not have any issue at all with the community, but choose not to join because of a few reasons.
- They feel like they may be imposing.
- They feel it may be a community/casual style guild and not actually raiding or PvPing or sometimes even RPing seriously, etc…
- They may not want a guild that puts a focus on anyone’s lifestyle, whether that be sexual, religious, political, or otherwise. And that last one is the one that would probably keep me from applying.
I totally understand people not wanting to join a guild that puts emphasis as a safe haven for any specific group because it can feel less welcoming to other people. It’s not always about the intent, but the perception. If someone put a tag in their recruitment that said “NFL and NBA enthusiast friendly” it would probably turn off just as many people, if not more. lol
editing to QFT 
Although maybe not so much depressing as unnecessary.
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They were an actual bigot. That was their POV. Bigotry.
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Well, in your situation if was in your own profile you said, right? In that case it’s none of their business. I was just talking about in general for guilds on the same topic.
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Also, there’s a bit of a difference between sports enthusiasts and people who are being actively persecuted for being who they are.
Speaking as someone who briefly led a guild and has been a part in many, I would not want to be a part of one where it had someone who felt turned off of a guild because they visibly offered themselves as a safe space for people who may need it - and I can’t say I’d want someone like that in any guild I ran.
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Not in my example. It was only giving examples of groups that people may feel they don’t belong to. Besides, I’m sure plenty of people in the LGBTQ community are sports fans too! 
That’s really unfair. I gave you examples as to why people may not be attracted to a guild advertising for any specific group, but you are simply writing them all off as bad people.
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