Does anyone use this ability? I never have enough points to try it out. I went and looked to see the animation of it and it’s kinda boring. That got me thinking after returning to Diablo 4 druid lately, what if they made this passive make our entangling roots spell do poison/nature damage like creepers in D4? Not only would it make me want to use roots but it would also give us some more nature looking spells since we already have a ton of astral and repetitive stuff (mangle/swipe/ravage). Just an idea since I never see waking nightmare in builds. Maybe I need to go back to D4 where my bear feels and sounds like an actual force of destruction lol
Waking Nightmare can do good damage, if it procs while you are in Berserk. So on average, it’s a net gain. But outside of that it seems to be disapoinging.
The damage it does when it hits seems to be unexpectedly high, so it might have a bug that works in our favor (when it hits).
There’s a lack of clairty as to how it’s thrashes interact with other thrash multipliers.
Personally I think it’s too undependable to spend the point on. Same with Sundering Roar (although in the long term I think Sundering Roar has a better chance of becoming a useful talent). For now, there are better places to the put the point than either of these (imho).
Sundering roar lets your thrash stacks go to 7, allowing a DR of 21% for its duration (12s).
Its a major tool is huge pulls
I still don’t understand the point of taking this talent. It gives very little.
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Nah sundering roar does nothing
Overal a 2-3% damage talent. Even less with proper play. Better to put it somewhere else like kb for more mangle boss damage
if you look at it, brambles and sundering roar, each gives ~3%. two of those abilities are passive, so it is free damage.
the builds that take these are all in on thrash. waking nightmare and sundering roar keep with that theme.
If only, but no.
To get this small damage boost, you have to sacrifice talent points, and there are some very powerful talents you don’t have enough for.
when you are running no apex, you have talent points for days. that is the point of not taking the apex with elunes.
go look at the the very best druids in the game. they are doing when I wrote.
I’m talking about this build.
In a standard no-apex build, very powerful FR talents are sacrificed in favor of these talents with very little damage bonus.
when squish, awoo, dorki and yoda are all running a build with sundering roar and waking nightmare, I’m probably going to think that they are onto something.
but then again, you need to be doing what they are doing and lining up big pulls so that those trash casts can be replicated by your wandering bear and you are getting more than 5 thrash stacks.
I have preferred to run my no apex build with an emphasis on including mangle in the rotation because I am not doing their sized pulls.
there is more room for variation than people seem to think the current “2 button” rotation has.
in these builds, you don’t need the boost to regen. moonfire spam and thrash reduce the cooldown of lunar beam to something like 15-20 seconds. they are standing in lunar beam 40-50% of combat. plus all the extra thrash makes ursocs fury do a tremendous amount of healing. you don’t need to boost to regen.
If only everything were so simple and obvious. They have their own pack, an excellent healer. But with Pugs, things aren’t always so simple.
Overall, when playing with Pugs, it’s better to take FR talents than Sandering Roar and Brambles.
of course in the pug world, you need to be more capable of taking care of yourself. being in lunar beam 40-50% of the time is a great way to start.
but there are other ways to do that.
in my build I take the class tree ability forest walking with 2 points. i take dream of cenarius. i also take guardian of elune. so my use of mangle boost my regen by 20% and casting regrowth boosts that by another 16%.
i also take natural resilience for the shield from regen.
i don’t take sundering roar or or waking nightmare but im putting those points into mangle talents. I like how mangle generates rage and boosts my healing and ironfur. and it gives me dependable damage, especially on bosses or prio targets.
mangles mean lots of rage for ironfun and I run matted fur too.
since the no apex build puts points in ursocs endurance, it makes sense to put points into brambles and matted fur (i do 1/2). since you have barkskin up about half the time, you get all these passive goodies of increased damage done and decreased damage taken.
and 3-4% extra damage from a passive ability (brambles) is excellent. you would be hard pressed to find a tanking trinket that does that. and it is done when you need it most - in a group where you need to generate threat. of course thrash does the heavy lifting in that arean, but every bit helps.
i am not a fan of rng abilities for tanks, and to me that is really the point of not taking the apex talents. a no apex elune bear is consistent in damage and tankiness.
so many people think that no apex bear is somehow mindless, but there are still many choices to make depending on how you play.
It’s also for AoE threat snap, you don’t always have thrash available, and your thrash may not hit all targets.
yes but then you hgave better bear players like andy and gnome like not giving sundering roar the time of day
Practically yes, this build is just a no-brain build. It uses almost nothing from the bear’s arsenal.
Don’t worry. Blizz is going to fix it tomorrow so even thrash is nerfed.
We’ll just moonfire and be fine
They’re not planning to fix anything at all tomorrow. They’ll just slightly reduce the numbers, the build will remain the same, the gameplay will remain the same, and most likely this build will still be the best for pushing the bear.
Of course they aren’t fixing anything. That is kind of the point. They are nerfing damage and healing by 10-15% each while leaving a trail of garbage in the form of a tier set and apex talents.
And to your point, they have made most of the rest of its talents moot. And now they substantially nerf the one thing that was left.
Now it will be a butt dragging 2 button build.
Considering elune favor was mostly over healing, this isn’t really a nerf
I was led to believe that this was “okay”
Now it’s not because it’s gonna do less damage? Y’all legit need to make up your minds