It’s not about toxicity; new players don’t learn anything when 1 person does the entire dungeon for them.
And 1 person is EASILY capable of doing, say, a Heroic 5-man dungeon. Solo. The other 4 people don’t need to be there.
Yet people are bribed into doing them anyway through bags of augment runes, etc.
Blizzard deliberately sets up situations where 1 experienced player carries the other 4. They do it on purpose. And it’s a bad idea.
100%.
I don’t pug often. I just don’t. That said, we end up pulling pugs in on occasion, and I will run leveling dungeons when I’m bringing up a new character. In those dungeons, whenever someone says, “I’m new” or, “I’ve never played Tank/this class/this dungeon before…” people are helpful and kind and patient.
It requires typing in party chat of a 17 year-old game, “Hey guys…I’m actually new and have no idea what I’m doing. Any advice is appreciated.”
Boom. 99% of your issues are solved right there.
Wrong. Auto kick.
We do kinda have that option already. New players have a small murloc head hovering over their characters. This feature is only available to guides, though (if you’re a veteran player and your account is in good standing, you can talk to a particular NPC to activate your character as a guide).
I agree that this should be enabled to everyone, not just guides.
no - new players need to learn not to do group content until they can do basics. They had to be pretty bad to get kicked from timewalking.
We know your “friend” is you, and if you’re wiping as a group, the group will kick the person that is sabotaging the group or is most toxic. In this case you.
You can waaah on forums, or you pull up your socks and take the advice of the other people who are more patient than me in this thread telling you how to be worth your spot in a dungeon.
Good luck, but I hope you quit instead.
People really need to have more than half a clue about how to play their characters before queueing for timewalking dungeons. Heroic dungeons may be easy for you, but to a new player who doesn’t know what a rotation is and doesn’t understand how dungeons work, you weren’t doing her any favors by not explaining these things to her.
People kick in time walking?!
I can pull most of the dungeon in my bad gear with no threat of death.
What kind of monster kicks people in such super easy content?!
And naturally OP as their friend, didn’t stick up for them, didn’t give any advice on the mechanics in a VOIP like Discord, or point them to any resources that might help them improve.
Personally speaking I know that when I get friends to play a game I’m intimately familiar with, I utilize literally zero of my knowledge to help smooth out their learning curve.
carries cost gold. as a vet player u should help your friend by paying for their timewalking carries. easy fix!
Oh yeah. OP failed their friend for sure.
Toxicity aside, why didn’t op just run groups with them to help them learn and suggest add-ons?
Im sorry to hear this about ur friend since the solution u want does not exist allow me to suggest the fallowing.
Join the group with ur friend so u can help her learn.
Show her some sights like wowhead that break down the class so she can learn a better rotation or even a better understanding of her class.
Show her some dungeon videos so she has an idea of what’s going on.
She can anounce in the chat that she is new and to bare with her.
And or u, her and someone else go in.u guys will have the popular vote everytime and she will not be able to be kicked.
My biggest gripe is that if you do get kicked you are still subject to the deserter debuff. Ive been in runs where I was doing abunch of extra stuff that was scaring people that havent ran dungeons 400 million times, or get into an argument with someone in a group, or just kicked out of a party finder mid run so they could make room for someone else. At least remove the debuff.
As soon as you say you are new toxic WoW players would immediately kick. This isn’t FFXIV. I AM KRUMTOILET!!!
Or you say it and you get kicked because it’s easier to get someone who knows than take 15s to explain.
Seriously this community is garbage. People are in such a rush they can’t even take an extra minute, not even, to check if people know an encounter or, God forbid, explain it briefly. Especially for time walking which plenty of people haven’t done at all or haven’t done in years.
The assumption in a random group should be that nobody knows anything not that everyone is an 18 year veteran who has done every piece of content.
On top of that no other MMORPG requires one to “do homework” before playing it at a basic level. We’re not talking high keys or raiding here. There is zero reason a new player should have to go to a third party sites and “research” anything for leveling content. I swear that these third party sites do way more harm than good and nobody seems to actually understand that
new players need to say hey first time but i checked the adventure thing and sorta know.
it be nice if they copied FF14 way of showing new players
wait…you expected the rushertons in this game to let a new player learn to play ? lmao.
Never happen.
You’re right. No one should be, and you’re not. Timewalking content is beginner level casual content. This is literally leveling content being opened up to higher level players, not the reverse. The weekly quest is your reward for putting up with such people. If you don’t want to deal with them form a group yourself instead of relying on group finder. By using that instead you obligated yourself.
I did timewalking this week too. The first 4 I blasted. The last one was Grimrail, and in spite of it being part of the M+ rotation recently, nobody in the group besides myself knew what the hell to do. And since I was tanking I couldn’t do it for them. It was a little frustrating to get across what I needed them to do, but I knew what I signed up for.
The only exception I’ll make for this is if someone is completely lost and running around instead of making a good faith effort to do their job. In that case the OP would not have done his part to instruct his friend where she needed to focus her attention. Which I suspect by the post is not the case.
It rewards raid gear - it isn’t ‘beginner’ content. As in beginner who doesn’t know their rotation or mechanics. I am betting they were really really ineffective to be noticed and kicked.
No end game dungeon is beginner content really. New players learn basics in BFA dungeons.
If true, they must have been doing less then the healer in DPS and or dying every time to simple mechanics…which I would have kicked the person too.