VTK has been in game since Wrath.
It has had zero changes to it since.
Why is it suddenly in the past month an issue?
Good reason to kick someone. Not a good reason for 30 mins of deserter. BTW - my internet was fine. Blizzard disconnected me.
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Exactly.
Its the internetâŚtheres a list of servers between you and the warcraft game servers. ANY of which might have an issue.
someone saying YOU get it fixed has NO CLUE how the internet works LMAO
Thank you, the multiple points are appreciated, you spent a lot of time on the response, but the for all that, the fact is the system described as an alternate works better in FF14, a game of comparable player-base-size. Some of us play both WoW and FF14 and want to continue to play them both. The system of V2K/VTK in WoW is not fair or consistent when compared to how other punishments are given by Blizzard.
See my example from the threads:
Ignore; it removes the ability to be negative by using a game system; but the 30min punishment would not be fair if:
Player A, B and C mutes Player D
Player D is timed out from speech for 30mins
This does not happen, only Blizzard can mute players or ban them.
That makes it positive or fair because Blizzard uses the same rules and applies them to any potential offender, V2K does not make it positive or fair, because itâs always a different set of arbitrary player rules based on who is in the group so the idea of âfairâ changes.
Remove the 30 minutes and there is no punishment, and then it is more fair, but still not totally fair, it is still arbitrary.
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This isnât Final Fantasy. This isnât the same community. That system does not work here.
I am not dealing with degenerates in my group because you donât like a 30 minute debuff.
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Do you think people who leave a group should get a 30 minute debuff?
The timeout serves ZERO purpose in this game.
- its NOT a deterence regardless of the claims in here. Trolls keep trolling in random groups anyway.
- its NOT a punishment for said trolls. They know theyâre gonna get kicked going inâŚthey know they can just hop on alts and ride out the timeout.
- it doesnt stop anyone from bailing even if they didnt go in troll. if they dont want to do the run, theyâll bail, and like the troll, hop on an alt to keep playing and wait out the timer
the ONLY persons the timeout hurts is the innocent player who was kicked for NO VALID REASONâŚie NOTHING HE did or didnt do correctly but was kicked by THE trolls themselves for kicks and giggles because they are juveniles and NOT REAL MMO players.âŚand the person who gets the timeout over being disconnected thru no fault of their own
REMOVE the deserter timeoutâŚit has no purpose in this game other than another tool of harassment by kick happy trolls
if someone wants to leave, I dont want them FORCED to stay over some clownshow timeoutâŚI want them to leave so we can find someone who WANTS to play the game.
Only a DESPERATE player would want someone who wants to leave to be FORCED to stay over fear of a timeoutâŚand then have them ruin the run or not put in any effort because they wanted to leave.
This actually does not work in FF14 as intended. I once had a healer suspiciously and conveniently D/C in a harder dungeon after we wiped because the other two party members were not doing mechanics. I, the tank, waited 5 minutes and then left. I received the debuff.
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Vote to kick is out of control imo,
I joined a normal dungeon group for Ara-Kara as a tank and was kicked out for seemingly no reason after the first 10 seconds or so. I applied my party buff as a warrior and was in the process of grabbing enemies, I only grabbed two before I was suddenly kicked out and got that 30 minute leaver debuff. I really dont think I did anything deserving of a kick, especially so early in a dungeon. Iâm at a loss for a legitimate reason for why I was kicked.
I wish people would believe those who have been kicked unjustly. For all I know, I was kicked because I was from moonguard or something else silly like that.
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honestly, sometimes its 3 or 4 guildies that used you to get into a 5 man.
Had that happen myself from some Tich malcontents in my first year here.
It happens a lot. Use you to get to main boss and just before they down the boss they pass out vote kicks to kick you out so they can hog all the loot.
But I donât care anymore I canceled my subscription they can keep there unlimited kicks and bully debuffs. Any sane person that is left on WoW should wake up and find a game that doesnât cater to this level of Toxicity.
I will sit back and watch all the trolls kick each other out in a unlimited perpetual kicking and joining. And watching the trolls trolling each other with a 30 minute timer. While listening to trolls defend it and saying it is a perfect feature and working as intended.
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When does it expire?
The 23rd of October.
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It only takes 3 out of 5
they do, they get the 30 minute deserter debuff
no one else is punished - the system refills the group and everyone carries on
they know it wasnt INTENDED as a troll tool to kick players for doing nothing wrong.
They know thats the position blzzard has to take otherwise its a violation to abuse the kick and theyd have to deal with all those tickets.
Blizzard turned the kiddies loose with a bic lighter, then ran out of the house so they dont have to deal with it.
all four can vote to kick, however.
According to the trolls it is working as intended cause blizzard says so. People donât donât scrutiny it like put it to the challenge. They just go along with the ride.
Blizzard is always right? Lets not think for ourselves.
âIts working as intended.â Well is it? Is it really? Have you tested it? Get some groups together and just start tossing kicks to collect data?
Like how many kicks can people do in one dungeon run or raid spread out through multiple people? Or can you kick in the middle of boss fights to rob people of loot? That sort of thing. Has this feature been put to the test?
Im not a streamer but would like to see a video evidence of vote kick testing. So we can put this issue to rest.
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Thats the troll using the letter of the law to abuse others.
This garbage behavior is why laws get amendedâŚwhy rules get changed.
Someone abuses someone elseâŚa new law/rule gets written to deal with it.
someone finds a way around that law/rule and abuses againâŚso they come back and amend it, or write new laws/rules to deal with the new abuses.
Itâll happen if they keep it up.
Blizzard giving them the torch to burn the place down and hiding so they dont have to deal with it isnt gonna last if the kiddies keep abusing other players with it.
How did the kick come about in the first place?
Bad players ruining the game for others.
And then timeoutâŚsame thingâŚabuses.
Now theyre going out of their way to abuse players with the kick/timeout.
If the keep making it this obvious Blizzard will have to act to save whats left of this pathetic MMO.
Youâre right - the hostage thing doesnât happen anymore (since patch 3.3, during WotLK) because of the vote to kick system being implemented. The vote to kick system is not new, nor what this thread is really complaining about. The complaint is about the 30 minute debuff given to the person kicked. If you remove the vote to kick system entirely, the hostage scenarios will return as a different form of abuse. I mean, you keep saying âThat doesnât happen anymore! When was the last time a hostage scenario happened?â as justification when literally the vote to kick system is the reason why we donât deal with that anymore, thankfully.
As for the debuff. While it sucks if youâre on the receiving end of being kicked, according to Blizzardâs own rules and documentation, you can be kicked for any reason that the group no longer wants to play with you. And it takes a majority of the group to vote yes in order to kick someone. YOU have the power. If a vote kick comes up and you donât agree with the reason or the initiator types in gibberish, then click NO. Itâs as simple as that.
Perhaps the way the vote to kick pop-up happens on screen could be redesigned to be less intrusive, or to make the NO option more prominent, reminding people to only click yes if they agree with the given reason. If NO is more prominent, that solves your issue with lazy people âjust clicking to get it off their screenâ - a common complaint people use to explain (probably) why they got kicked (probably) unfairly. 