The proof is someone can open vote kick type gibberish and get the person kicked. As anecdote as it is it is a problem.
Like there is zero reason why there should be that some can type “geshjcbky87565fhj.” In the kick reason box and have it go through as a valid kick.
Kick forms should be redone to make sure the kicks are genuine.
Not to Blizzard
who made it that way
on purpose…
I saw the thread, see people claiming it doesn’t happen, I posted my experience because stuff like this does get propagated to those that matter.
You called bull on my post, and I’m just pushing back against your arrogance. Not even addressing the logic flaws that would allow me to flip your own script on you.
I could care less if you help. Your voice holds about as much weight as air both for or against the matter.
Its like…you want me to convince you that something is happening so you can do…what exactly? lol. Your value added to this circumstance is in the negative, even if you wanted to help.
At this point it doesn’t matter. They are trying to defend a feeble system that can be griefed with unlimited kicks cause of the debuff it gives people. They want power to give people a debuff that last 30 minutes that why they do it. Then they keep bringing up hostage arguement like people still do that today. That happen in lich king. As if people are willing to waste there time trolling a dungeon like that today. People don’t have that kind of patience anymore to waste other peoples time like that anymore.
You can give them facts all day. It is futile.
As my reworded quote already says:
There are already limits in place, it’s already not unlimited
It’s been explained to you that most of the people you’re arguing with don’t even use the system except in specific rare circumstances, you’re just being dishonest. I told you I don’t use it. You liked the post.
People don’t do this today because the system is in place and they won’t get away with it, that’s why people defend the system
Isn’t your entire argument that so many people in dungeons are toxic and want to punish other players?
What does this have to do with what I asked you?
what does what you asked have to do with anything i posted?
Vote to kick doesn’t simply remove the kicked person as the blue post claims, it disrupts their gameplay for 30 min.
If the other people dont like the person they have every right to remove them but donʻt beat around the bush, you are not only simply punishing them with removal, you are also disrupting them for 30 min
If using the word disrupt makes you feel better? Fine.
The question is a mostly rhetorical one. You can ponder it to yourself. You’re obviously upset about the group disrupting the kicked persons experience.
Why do you care more about the one person that got kicked, that three or four people agreed should get kicked, more than the three or four people that one person was disrupting?
If that one person got kicked, it’s because they were disrupting the experience of three or four other people. But you’re only upset about the one person who was doing the disrupting, getting their experience disrupted.
You’re valuing the “criminal” over the “victims”. Even if you don’t like using those words, you’re valuing one person being disrupted for half an hour over four people being disrupted for half an hour (if they were to leave).
Why don’t you care more about the four people having their experience disrupted than the one person who has their experience disrupted as a result of their own disruptive actions?
Like I said, feel free to think about it to yourself, I don’t need a response.
Yes you can , I got kicked with 10% hp on a boss , on the last boss in instance . Think its same system in CATA as live . Never been kicked on live so not sure.
Shouldnt but thanks to Blizzard, do.
Remove the timeout. Its not needed and it serves no purpose.
The guy these clowns kicked for no valid reason has HIS game time stolen over these trolls…but the real problem player just jumps on an alt to continue his tirade
In all reality ‘something’ has already been done about trashy group behavior…we now have follower dungeons and solo delves.
I doubt Ion just thought that crap up one day for no reason at all. lol.
Seems to be a direct result of knowing that players are gonna keep walking …or not participating in parts of the game…if they have to deal with the malcontents and disgruntleds in game
But yeah…the kick trash needs to be fixed.
Remove the timeout…let them leave if they want to…I dont want them there if they dont want to be there.
remove the timeout and they can just leave…and if they wont, you kick.
That poster is just being flat out dishonest.
And what would be the reason someone in here would defend a system they can troll other players with and cost them nearly an hour of their time when its all added up?
BEING a troll who enjoys doing it is the only thing that fits.
Remove the timeout…its pointless
It ONLY punishes the guy who got kicked for no reason
The bad player will just alt hop and keep doing what hes doing.
The guy who got kicked for no reason is likely working on THAT character for whatever.
The problem child wont give a crap…hes just there to cause problems.
That happened when the time out was for bailing from what I read in here and they’d do that to get kicked…so the timeout was added to the kick as well…at least thats what has been said in here a thousand times lol.
Remove the timeout…let them leave…no one wants someone there who doesnt want to be there, sandbagging and causing disruption.
WHO CARES if they get into another group sooner?
They’ll get kicked again ifthey keep causing problems for the next group.
Soon enough the children will get tired and move along and playtheir game right.
First up, groups are under zero obligation to inform you of why they are removing you. Should you get one that is a courtesy. A kick isn’t rendered illegitimate purely because the kick box wasn’t filled out to your liking. That’s not how that works.
Second, the fact that someone can put whatever they want in a kick box or is NOT proof that there is wide spread abuse of the kick feature. Nor is anecdote of a few individuals on the forums on its own proof of a widespread issue. I acknowledge people believe there is a problem, however they’ve yet to demonstrate ANY kind of evidence of said problem beyond their own individual words, which is NOT enough to demand changes to an entire system for everyone else because 2 or 3 people are salty they got kicked from a group. By blizzard’s standards you can be removed from the group at any time for any reason, with or without an explanation. So again if you really want to go there EVERY kick is legitimate.
That said, was there abuse of the system in the past, absolutely, it’s why we have some of the restrictions on it we do today. You say that there is a problem with the system still today, okay cool, prove it. Show us something, ANYTHING other than anecdote alone to back up the claim that this is a widespread issue in the game as a whole. If the problem is as widespread as you claim, then certainly you can give us some small crumb of proof that it’s not just the few of you in here having the issue.
No what you’re doing is trying to grandstand on a soap box about a problem you say exists but don’t have the spinal fortitude to post proof of. Just like I told the other guy, if it’s as widespread of an issue as you would have everyone else and blizzard especially believe, then certainly you can post some kind of stat or something to show there is a problem. You all keep saying this, but so far the only things you guys have posted are “trust me bro” and that’s not proof of anything. And even then some of the “trust me bro” stories I’ve seen on here I’m convinced were deserved kicks based on later comments of theirs. So once again, what kind of proof do you have that this is a widespread issue? Because I can tell you right now if you can’t demonstrate an issue, no dev is going to take you seriously and is going to assume that it’s just a small handful of people being salty they got kicked and rightfully so.
You ability to call kicks diminishes the more of them you call for. Unlimited kick does NOT exist today and hasn’t for years. So you’re objectively wrong about people having the ability to call unlimited kicks. If you want to get mad about people having a 30 minute debuff, get mad at blizzard for putting it in and the people who abused the kick system when it was first introduced that made that necessary to start with. As another already pointed out, you don’t see very many attempts to hold a group hostage because people can just kick them and move on with their lives. It’s really quite simple, don’t be a jerk to your groupmates and cause issues for the group and 99% of the time you won’t have issues.
See above, it doesn’t happen today because they can be booted and they don’t want to eat a 30 minute penalty.
Okay those statements don’t go together like you think they do. Either people have the patience to queue up and waste the time of other people like you claim, or they don’t. There is no middle ground to that. If as you say there are a ton of people abusing the kick feature, your second statement is a lie. If you’re now going to say people don’t have the patience to queue and waste the time of others, then your first statement is a lie and the rest of it has been you just whining to whine. So which one is it dude?
Now this one made me laugh. What facts have you presented? Because the only thing I’ve seen is people try to present their own subjective opinions as objective facts then get angry when people asks them for even a tiny shred of evidence they base their claims on. Specifically you and several others have been complaining about vote kick abuse, yet when asked for even a single stat or tiny shred of anything to prove your claims, you get big salty and complain about how people are just “denying the facts”. It’s like someone claiming they’re a long lost relative to the King of England and the true heir to the throne and demanding they be made king, yet producing ZERO evidence to back up their claims and getting mad when people ask for proof. If you have the proof on your side as you claim, why are you and all the others so afraid to show it?
If you want to get mad about the 30 minutes lockout, get mad at the people who abused the system when it was first introduced that necessitated that lockout to start with. The people who refused to tank or heal or DPS until they were kicked and then rejoined the queue immediately after, all because they didn’t get the dungeon they wanted. In other words people who tried to game the system to get the extra random rewards, BUT only for the dungeons they wanted to do. The once you’ve done that, get mad at blizzard that put the system in place.
As to “disrupting their gameplay for 30 minutes”. Tell me, should 1 person be allowed to continually disrupt the gameplay of 4 other people? If one person is being such a tool that the group has to kick them, then sorry I have no sympathy for that person. 1 person is not so important that their gameplay should come at the expense of 4 other people. No one in this game is that important. They can still quest and do other content while they wait the 30 minutes out. They’re not locked out of the game as a whole, only random groups put together by the finder.
If someone is constantly being kicked from groups, it’s a pebcak problem on their end. While statistically there is the possibility someone could be so unlucky to get kicked every time they attempt to random group, I do NOT accept that everyone who cries “kick abuse” is this mythical exception to the rule.
nonsense. See my previous post.
If you remove the timeout, they can bail without punishment so they arent holding anyone hostage .
If they want to leave, why would you want to force them to stay? so they can sandbag , cause disruption, etc?
Let them leave…no timeout.
If they wont leave you kick. Pretty simple math there.
Remove the timeout…it serves no valid purpose…it never did.
Trying to FORCE someone to stay in a group they dont want to be isnt making this game better.
The only facts I have seen are from blizzard where theyve stated that the VtK feature isnt abusable and players are allowed to kick for any reason.
When they abuse those facts to justify THEIR bad behavior they tell us just what kind of person they are.
Blizzards rule that their system cant be abused says NOTHING about the PLAYER being abused when their game time is STOLEN by these disgruntled malcontents who have ruined group content in this game.
Dungeons arent ruined by AFK or low DPS.
Theyre ruined by the degenerates abusing PLAYERS in kicking them for no good reason because daddy bliz gave that bogus kicker permission to behave like a child
Blizzard does not have the man power to do such a thing which is why these systems exist. And no Blizzard has never controlled such matters. Before LFG, group leaders just removed people with no vote.
This is shocking, and unusual. This suggests you need to heal follower dungeons and read guides like icyveins etc. Before trying to heal a live group.
I see that you did silver proving grounds back in 2016, so i’m surprised you are having issues in leveling dungeons.