VE trying to look like BE

i will take that as a yes.

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Smoked Tauren is probably better.

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And yet there were NPCs after WC3 with the Alliance.

There probably shouldn’t have been considering the silvermoon near mass extinction.

Like half of the playable races in WoW are or have been “near extinction”. Population doesn’t have anything to do with anything.

Lore does though.

This was actually a long-term story thing that they built up to make the majority of helves horde and then some wotlk devs went “shrug, these elves are pretty, we still want them.”

Silver convenant being a sizable military force is at odds with previous story-telling.

So it’s not the players fault for being frustrated with the inconsistences.

Originally I’m pretty certain Nelves were going to be the alliance elf race and belves were going to be the horde elf race for the cool/warm contrasts.

But now both sides get both.

TL;DR, the factions are outdated.

Well you’re not wrong.

Uh… Don’t think so. The Horde wasn’t created with a pretty race in mind. The BE addition was an afterthought.

I’d agree if the Kael campaign didn’t exist in WC3. They wanted to make the helves more unique because they felt that the nelves had warcraft identity and helves were a bit too tolkien still. There’s dev discussion on the record about this.

Do you have a link? Always like to read about this stuff if I can.

And I know how they took a lot of the HEs left and turned them into BE, but I don’t think that means they were slated before vanilla to become a playable Horde race.

And that’s different to normal VE how?

I guess a flying Tauren is a high tauren :cow2:
& yes Belves do it better…

void elves are still voidy with the blue eyes and purple hair and tentacles

dont be hatin because we are the master race

Y’all were getting hopped up on demon magic even before Kael went absolutely bonkers and summoned KJ into the world.

Why are you criticizing void elves? Seems a little bit hypocritical.

Using Fel to power various crystals around Quel’thalas to support magical needs prior to the Sunwells restoration isn’t exactly the same thing as studying knowingly the Void post Sunwell restoration.

How did the blood elven fel eye glint become so widespread? The Warcraft Encyclopedia suggests that Rommath only taught the blood elves of Azeroth about how to siphon arcane magic, as most of the populace would likely be “horrified” if they knew the true extent of Kael’s dealings with Illidan.
The situation regarding blood elf eyes is, in fact, extremely similar to that of the green skin of orcs: just being around heavy use of fel magic turned the eyes of the blood elves green. You could be the most pious of priests or most outdoorsy of Farstriders, chances are, if you were a high elf in Quel’Thalas or Outland following the Third War, you were around fel energies, and your eyes would turn green. Like the orcs’ skin color, such an effect would take a very long time to wear off. Fel magic works a bit like radiation in this sense; it permeates the area and seeps into anything in the vicinity. Anything near a source of fel magic shows signs of slight corruption, it just so happens that high elves and orcs manifest it in a very visual way.

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velfs trying to look like belfs? what?

Nah. I do enjoy the more normalized skin tones, but, yeah I didnt unlock cause, yay Alliance Blood Elves! I unlocked cause tentacle voices said Alliance blood elves with tentacles what could wrong?! :kiss:

I think the problem with Void Elves as some kind of compromise is that they just don’t make sense.

Until Alleria, no member of the race ever really meddled with the void. Even that one boss in Tempest Keep wasn’t a, ‘Void Magister,’ or something. They were the, ‘High Astromancer,’ and astromancers prior to that used spells that were themed around astrology. Fire for the sun, arcane for moonlight, and shadow magic for the dark of space.

Void Elves were such a curve ball that Blizzard had to go out of their way to retcon stuff just to try and give them a little more background. Originally, Dar’khan used necromancy to disable the Sunwell. The spells he was given to cut the elves off from it during the Third War had been given to him by Arthas. Now it was void magic that he was studying all along, because why wouldn’t he be studying void magic?

I think my other issue is Void Elves coming from Blood Elves. Why not the Silver Covenant? They seem half-crazed as is, feeding people to sharks in Dalaran’s sewers during the purge. Seems to me like they might drink the purple Kool-Aid for more power. Heck, if that had happened I can see Lor’themar and Rommath’s insistence of them being a threat to Quel’Thalas as a WHOLE lot more justified. Right now Umbric and his people were just chill scholars who wanted to help. I could see the Silver Covenant actually wanting to attack Quel’Thalas just out of hate.

Well, one of the Developers from the time told us Blood Elves were added to the Horde because of an Asian poll where players wanted a, ‘femme,’ race for their girlfriends to play Horde with them.

https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/9fb2bo/john_staats_ama_author_of_the_world_of_warcraft/e5v3p5t/?context=3

Looking at an old 1999 concept art map of Azeroth, Silvermoon has a blue flag over it, same as Stormwind. Interestingly, Zul’Aman has a red flag next to it. Not sure what that means, as I don’t see Orgrimmar on the map, but this was pretty early on as far as WoW would’ve gone.

https://preview.redd.it/7uveo9ilea021.png?auto=webp&s=e78836753c50d0f3212a6f622a7d04d79d383e7c

Looking at the map more closely, the red flags seem to be universally hostile factions. There’s a U (undead I would guess) for most. Green might be Horde? I see O for Orcs, and T for Tauren, but there’s also NE presumably for Night Elves, and G for Goblins. The blue flags have H for Humans, D for Dwarves, and I’m not sure what the letters on the flag next to Quel’Thalas are. There isn’t a higher resolution I can find of that picture sadly.

That’s definitely one of the reasons but it’s not the only one.

void elves were a mistake.