Go back to being a human
OP is being more specific regarding the vault loot than simple item tracks.
Does a +3 give you hero track? Yes but it comes to you as 1/6 upgraded hero track as 610. Tier 8 vaults give you 616 upgraded hero track and those extra upgrades you get for free are very valuable in the early season when crests are scarce.
Being able to craft a decent shield is my favorite thing since the new professions. That’s always been the one drop I can never get.
guess it depends, as someone who loves M+ i average more than that per week during the seasons i’m keen to play. and while M+ isn’t as quick as delves, it’s still pretty dang fast to get a run done with competent players or a guild group.
i guess i’m just saying i think M+ is in a fine spot for loot and delves having additional stuff you can nab with a few gimme keys a week isn’t an issue
I’d tend to agree. I’m done with delves now, but it’s important to remember we had a month’s worth of keys from pre season. It won’t be like that next time 
Not my content, happy I got to have fun with it while it was a challenge for me, glad I was able to get value out of it early on. But equally glad to move on to m+.
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Imagine playing the game because it’s fun and not to optimize a loot pinata you get to hit once a week.
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Hey guess what ? You still have the entire season to accomplish this, it is FINE if you or the majority of the playerbase cant clear a M+8 on first week of M+ dungeons.
FALSE, starting from M+7 players can get Heroic gear out of end of dungeon loot which getting Heroic gear out of a delve is only possible only if you had looted a map and used it, which again is a low chance to get one out of only the blue chests (empowered delves).
I hope I don’t run with the people you’ve encountered, lol.
I did mythic stone vault last night. My group consisted of a 592 tank, 601 healer (me), 551 WW monk, 568 Frost DK, and 577 BM Hunter.
The WW monk hasn’t done a mythic dungeon since S2 of BFA (he’s a pvper)… The frost DK hadn’t done one since S3 of Legion, and the BM hunter has some environmental awareness issues (i.e., takes giant flame orb to the face and asks “Oh man, what just hit me?”).
We wiped once. It was on the boss with the giant box that goes flying past. the DPS hadn’t seen the fight before and ate a few things to the face. We went right back to that boss and killed it on the second attempt.
The dungeons aren’t hard. I’ve taken several < 580 toons into mythics for gear without any issues. You just have to obey mechanics; that’s literally all it takes. If you’re going into them with LFR heroes who are used to heroic dungeon bosses dying in 30 seconds, then yeah, you’ll probably struggle. Hopefully this season (unlike the last few in DF) those folks won’t get their keys artificially inflated by folks grinding crests… but I won’t hold my breath.
Different loot pools.
my group was hilarious on that, we all knew it happens from doing heroics and what not, but the second time it went by i mentioned it in comms and our healer blanked out and stood in it and was just like… whoops, good times, good laughs
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Where they awake while doing them? Mythic 0’s are a cake walk as they have no affixes, not timers, you can swap in new people and you have change your spec for every fight. If you are struggling at them, that is a player skill issue.
People tend to do things they don’t like in order to do the things we do like.
Delves were one of those things.
M+ and delves are annoying content for different reasons.
M+, especially for melee is constant “out of range” Tanks leaving mobs in the unending amount of “don’t stand in the fire” so you either have to sit there out of range or risk taking a frontal to the face. Forget about getting interrupts in. For melee at least it’s devolved into a very unfun experience.
Delves…
CC… hack away at a mob for a couple minutes, hope Bran doesn’t do something stupid, repeat. So painfully boring.
So instead of just doing M+, now you need both. Devles for gear, m+ for crests. Worst of both worlds.
Everyone pays their dues for the BGs.
We did it. You can do it.
Be a good sport and eat your crow pie like we all did.
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I’ll go in after I’m full myth track as a tank, I’m good 
Courage is entering a fight without being certain of victory.
Gear is king, but after that, skill determines who wins.
Basic honor gear starts in the 600s on the BG.
Sun Tzu would disagree.
Delves vault will only give delve gears which are inferior in general to dungeon loot table. It is a mean for casual players to gear up but at the same time not take away from the rewards from mythic dungeon. BiS gears are still mostly from dungeons. Delves just make it easier for players to at least bridge the gap a bit going into mythic dungeons.
You are not commanding an army.
This is combat
Delves are the step between heroic and mythic, now.
Prove me wrong.
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