It’s so frustrating how Sylvannas genuinely had nothing but a dying delirious guy they did respect and his ‘visions from gods who aren’t even all good in their own beliefs’ as the basis for her being Warchief and they blindly follow along. After leaders who at least had more to endear themselves to the Orcs with already showed them the flaws of that level of blind loyalty.
This isn’t a single occurrence in isolation. We were always told Orcs did the badzugging because they were duped into drinking demon juice. Then we see uncorrupted Orcs follow Garrosh back to Azeroth and … oh, they’re going genocidal again. Well, surely that’s just a coincidence. Everyone has a bad day, it’s not like … oh, the uncorrupted Orcs of another timeline are going genocidal. Not just that, but they’re being genocidal to a tribe of their own kind because that tribe didn’t want to do a genocide with them. Well, at least we are shown they knew better than to drink the demon jui … oh, they’re willingly gulping down the demon juice?
Glad we could put all of that behind us at least, and the orcs that rebelled to overthrow the genocidal tyrant have learned their lesson. They certainly will think twice about blindly following genocidal orders after that fiasco with Garrosh. There is certainly 100% no way they would ever consider going down that road again. Surely.
At least the Frost Wolves are consistently competent, I guess?
Yeah, it isn’t like she was some heroic figure instrumental in defeating the Legion. She just made some noise about avenging Vol’jin and then tried to enslave Boss Valkyrie Lady. That’s it. That is her entire contribution to Legion.
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No, but you’re singling it out as “the final nail,” and I just don’t see it. However, that doesn’t mean either of is us wrong. We just see it differently or focus on different things.
Orcs were honorable in the dumb warrior culture might makes right kind of way. Not in a real honorable way.
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I was thinking “we eefed up! Lets retain what is left of our culture and get the hell out of the eastern Kingdoms.” Thats a 4 year difference between warcraft 2 abd frozen thrne
Seeing how Frostwolves involve, Those Orcs had to do relearn sets of values and tradition after the bloodlust lethargy and enslavement.
Also a generation has past. Those WC2 are old, and may have done what they could to not let the next one astray… well, Garrosh messed that up.
Orcish history is a mess despite 25-30years
I feel like 4 chances to prove “Orcs aren’t bloodthirsty savages, they were just corrupted by fel to be that way” isn’t a lie before declaring it the final nail is pretty generous. Now we’re left with Outland Mag’har being genocidal without Fel, Alternate Draenor Mag’har being genocidal with and without Fel, and “repentant” Main Universe Orcs being genocidal with and without Fel (the latter being particularly egregious because they’re the same orcs who overthrew Garrosh).
Actually Garrosh piggy-backed off the Legion’s lies and corruption of Orcish ancestor worship.
Remember, the opening scene was his father refusing to drink the Blood of Manaroth as the turning point. The Burning legion had been doing a number on the Orcish belief system and political system before that.
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Yeah, I just don’t feel that BfA really depicts orcs as bloodthirsty savages, for the reasons I outlined above. But like I said, it’s probably just a matter of interpretation.
I think if Saurfang had spearheaded a rebellion before, during, or immediately after Lordaeron, I could spin it that way. But he basically just gives up, wants to die, then mopes to Anduin about how awful the Horde is.
I don’t think Mag’har, let alone Garrosh, were being genocidal but rather reacting to the situation that they were on the brink of oblivion during the Cataclysm. Its not about conquest at first, but survival. The events and decision from Garrosh are the reactions of several events:
-Given Warchief by Thrall
-Need already dwindle resources and strategic land against the alliance
-Contend with inner spies of the Burning Legion and Twilight’s Hammer.
-shaky trust from the other races.
-disbelief that Orcs need to live in the desert because of a sin.
In Garrosh’s boots, how does one deal with conflicts, within and without. in dealing with a world-ending scenario? What does one see in himself when people need a leader. Garrosh only knew one thing that the Orcs respected and Honored, and its strength. Thrall and Saurfang failed in teaching proper wisdom.
After Cataclysm, and as a consequence, the Alliance and Horde are at war.
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None of that explains why Garrosh decided to use the Heart of Y’shaarj to corrupt Pandaria and his own people, or his grand vision of orc supremacy over the broken corpses of everyone else on Azeroth.
Simple. Blizzard needs a villian, garrosh got whacked with the bat.
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Precisely. And his Mag’har loyalists (and Dragonmaw conscripts) went along for the ride. That’s basically the point: we’re told one thing about the orcs, but consistently shown the opposite. It is another casualty of the Horde villain-batting post-WotLK Warcraft is pathologically possessed to deliver.
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Yeah, for my goblin warlock here, honor means you selling you soul to me for 5g.
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